Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The only thing I can think of that is British enough is this.

I stopped reading right here. You couldn't be any more wrong. Sure, ganking a Vent is easy and extremely cheap, but the barges are a different story. Well, I shouldn't say that ganking a barge is particularly difficult, but there most certainly is a fair amount of time and effort that goes into ganking one. It isn't as simple as jumping in your ship, flying to any random belt, and attacking a random miner. Not if you're an honest pirate (oxymoron, I know) who not only expects, but NEEDS, to make a profit from the gank.

And don't fall into the misconception that you are any safer in a freighter than you are in a barge. Freighters really aren't all that much more difficult to suicide gank, they're just more expensive to suicide gank because you need to be in a battlecruiser or battleship instead of a destroyer. Now, one might think that the extra expense that goes into ganking a freighter would make the profit somewhat negligible, and that suicide gankers would therefore keep their eyes on the more copious and readily available mining barges. However, the cool thing about freighters is that they're expensive and people don't want to have to replace them, not to mention having to replace (or pay a collateral fee for) everything in the cargo hold. This makes it easier to extort from freighter pilots than from barge pilots. Furthermore, freighters (obviously) carry a lot more stuff, meaning they have the ability to carry greater amounts of goodies.

BUT....none of this works out very well without a great deal of patience and planing. Having said that gankers "should have to work a little harder for it" indicates that you don't know how much hard work actually goes into successful - more importantly, profitable - ganking. Especially if you are part of a corporation that lives off of ganking. And don't even get started with the whole "well maybe you should pick a different profession" bullsh*t. The game ALLOWS players to be gankers and to have corporations based on ganking, so we'll gank all we like. Why should it be any harder for the hunter to hunt than it is for the deer to graze? It's not like the deer don't know that there are ****ing hunters out there, but they still have to eat. So what do they do? They pay attention to their surroundings, and as soon as they detect that something is off, they split. No waiting, no questions. Just. ****ing. Gone. The deer can get it right. What's YOUR problem?

There are a lot of things that have been broken since eve's inception. Bounties were broken forever. I have no problem if you want to gank, I just think you should have no place to hide in high sec if you are a known criminal.

One actually has a chance of catching a ganker if they are stuck out in space, not docked up in a station. I am actually encouraging PvP here. If a ganker is stuck out on space, a ganker is thus vulnerable to being scanned down, as is that orca. While one may not be able legally blow up that orca, it becomes a point of vulnerability, a place where someone can cloak and camp waiting for someone to come in and get another ship.

I never said "cut off access to high sec" all I said was no POS bubbles and no Stations for < -5 sec status.

Someone asked why I am not the insta-locker on the gate, well the simple answer is that; that is not how I choose to play in the sandbox. I find industry to be far more cut-throat than any other form of PvP that I have encountered. Yes I have PvP toons, yes I know how to PvP. However I like my PvP to actually count towards something. I, personally, do not see the meaning in popping miners and their ships.

To those who say "It's not easy to fly around with -10 sec status," It shouldn't be easy, It should be one of the hardest things to do in the game. Choosing the path of a criminal should always prove to be difficult. It should be something you really have to try at to be successful, and you should have to look over your shoulder constantly. The bottom line is that you choose this path, you should have to deal with the repercussions of your choices.

Those leveling personal attacks, sad that you cannot add anything of value on either side

No sir, if you put up a POS it is on behalf of your Corporation/Alliance. Anyone with the right roles in your corp, can lock you out of your own POS. Especially if they remove your roles first.



The proof is in how prevalent suicide ganking has become.

-1 for attempt at making high sec safer.

HTFU.

Personally I think the best solution is to make the aggression timer tied to sec status. Give a 6 hour timer to people with -10 sec status, which forces them to focus on high value targets and do PvE between ganks. That should cut down on the rinse and repeat shuttle and freighter ganks.

Or maybe it's just that like a lot of people in highsec I don't think that career suicide gankers should be able to operate without appropriate punishment.

Yes, the FacPo do the chasing, not CONCORD. CONCORD only shows once you commit an actual criminal act, and they then promptly destroy your ship. The FacPo, when they show up, web, then eventually scram, I think.

Until you have actually ever been -10 you have no idea what its like to try and operate at -10
Hence you have no idea what punishment is "appropriate"

We already need Instant undocks wherever we choose to dock as well as instant docks or you get poded on station 400m from being able to dock, we need multiple alts to be anything resembling efficient ( which costs us quite a bit of ISK mind you ). We need alts to bring us the ships we cant just grab at jita because of instant death if we did. Were chased Relentlessly by FACPOL and as a result cannot cloak, we lose standings with the empires so we cant create jump clones easily, we cant receive gate gun assistance in low sec ( or station guns either ). Were free targets everywhere you can imagine 23.9/7. Fixing sec status plus killrights would be more costly than it would be a benefit to us, and so on

I could probably go on for another 40 lines about what we have to deal with to keep our business alive, while you just log in, hop on comms, put an X in a channel and shoot red-crosses all day long for much more ISK, and much less risk. pony up, get an alt, go -10 and try to live in our shoes for 48 hours successfully. Then try and advocate a "safer Highsec" for everyone, you dont even have to Gank go to low sec and shoot people and pod them till you have the magic number as a badge of honor under your corp logo. Till then this crusade of yours is just tears in the wind

All of these "issues" are not really a problem when you use a dedicated gank alt. You can have alts bring you stuff and scout for you. Just check out the carnage in Uedama by -10s, or the people who spend all day ganking autopiloting shuttles. It's not hard - it's trivially easy.

You are free to have your opinions, as I am free to have mine. And mine is that the proliferation of career suicide gankers in highsec shows that the justice system is broken, and the lack of meaningful punishment will just mean more of the this craziness until real changes are made.