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Fending off frigate on L4 missions w/ Abbaddon

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Myriel Viper
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-12 14:22:45 UTC
Hello,

I've been wondering which drones I should use on my Abaddon class battleship to fend of enemy frigates while doing missions. Yesterday I tried a simple, level IV mission with a new battleship for the first time and found it a little difficult to get rid of them... I had to warp out and back in multiple times to blast them main guns, because the three Praetor I drones simply couldn't do it.

Now I could replace them by Imperial Navy Praetor drones from the LP store to get some extra punch. Or I could use five Infiltrator II drones instead of three Praetors, plus two in reserve... Infiltrators have only about half the firepower but twice the tracking speed and they are a lot faster - the enemy frigates moved with around with almost 900 m/s and I had the feeling that they were a little too manuverable for my Praetors.

What I find curious about them is the "signature resolution" parameter of both Praetors and Infiltrators... 125m. That's typcial for a cruiser... does that mean both Infiltrators and Praetors are designed to fight cruisers? Do I have to go even one step more down to effectively fight frigates and use Acolyte II drones?

The setup I used was:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9379/abaddonkindredspirit.jpg
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2011-12-12 14:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Myriel Viper wrote:
I've been wondering which drones I should use on my Abaddon class battleship to fend of enemy frigates while doing missions.
Light drones.
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What I find curious about them is the "signature resolution" parameter of both Praetors and Infiltrators... 125m. That's typcial for a cruiser... does that mean both Infiltrators and Praetors are designed to fight cruisers?
No, because they have awful tracking that counteracts that unusually high sig res against smaller/faster targets.

It's quite simple:
Frigates → Light drones.
Cruisers → Medium drones.
Battleships → Heavy Sentry drones.

You can use a drone class one size up, but it's less than optimal. For ship classes that are in-between of the the three (i.e. destroyers and BCs), you can use the larger type of drones without much issue.

Oh, and unless we're talking about sentries, never ever use the Amarr drones — they're horrid. Use thermal drones instead (they have the highest raw damage output, and all EM-weak enemies have thermal as their secondary weakness so you get a lot out of that increased damage as well).
Xen0nn
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2011-12-12 14:45:38 UTC
Your better of with something like this, also have you considered the Apoc?

[Abaddon, Abaddon - Level 4 Mission Runner]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
100MN Afterburner II

Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II
Mega Pulse Laser II

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II
Hobgoblin II
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-12-12 16:00:54 UTC
Never not bring 5 small drones with any pve ship.
Sphit Ker
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-12-12 16:09:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sphit Ker
It's all said already but bring light drones to kill frigs. It's the only way you can count on. Kill frigs with drones while the big guns are killing the battleships/cruisers etc. It's normal that Mega Beams can't hit frigates much if at all. Even Mega Pulses will have trouble tracking those. It's just how things are.

You can, however, kill the frigs before they reach their orbits around you. Locking times are always long against frigs so if you can't lock and kill in time then start burning directly away from them with your AB on. Thy to match their speed as best as possible, if possible at all. This usually is enough to drop the transversal where you can kill them. If that still fails, launch the drones and resume killing the bigger stuff.

It knows what you think.

Arctur Vallfar
Knights Adamant
#6 - 2011-12-13 02:19:23 UTC
Light drones are all you need, as others have stated. If your drone skills are good enough and do the right damage type, you can even take out enemy battleships with them. Anything else will have difficulty tracking frigates with their weapon systems.

Never go in to battle without them if you have a drone bay.
SpaceSquirrels
#7 - 2011-12-13 02:27:53 UTC
If too fast with your current skills equip a web or a painter as well.
Lili Lu
#8 - 2011-12-13 02:56:19 UTC
On an Abaddon your drone bay should be filled with 5 medium tech II and 5 light tech II drones. The mediums are for npc cruiser and above and the lights for any frigs you did not already kill with your guns.

When you warp into a pocket and target a group, I always shoot the frigs first. The frigs can scram you, web you, or put other ewar on your. Some missions have ewar cruisers or higher, but the frigs will be the only ones that will scram you. Therefore they are priority to snipe before other targets. Generally i progress up in ship class. Frigs then Cruisers then BC then BSs. One exception is where there are BC in the mission along with HAC npcs. I will kill the BCs first. THey are usually pretty squishy but do a lot of dps. The HACs generally don't hurt as much but you can spend a lot of time getting them down.

Heavy drones are basically a pvp weapon. They are for battles where you are on top of your opponent who is in a large ship and you want to do lots of damage up close. Missions are for sentry drones, medium drones, and light drones. Some ships have large enough drone bays (domi) to carry sentry and heavys. But for most situations heavys will drive you nuts and actually lose you dps because they are so damn slow to get to target.

As to em drones. The only ones presently that are worth using are the sentrys. If you have em weak npcs, chances are their thermal resist is second worst for them. Thermal drones do a lot more damage than em drones. So forget praetors, infiltrators, and acolytes, use hammerhead and hobgoblins instead. There is a thread on S&M where many of us were discussing the stupidity of the drones stats and the uselessness of most em drones. It's one of those things CCP seems oblivious to.Sad
Myriel Viper
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-12-13 12:14:31 UTC
Thanks for the input.

Since I was a little short on money I tried only a set if Acolyte II drones - even though the setup I used no uses five Acolyte II and five Infiltrator II. Amarr drones despite your recommendation because that's the only specialization I have so far and I don't wish to deviate from my plan.

I've just flown a single mission, "Angel Extravaganza" level 4, yesterday and I must say I am pretty content with the performance of the drones yesterday. I took a while but I was at no point in the slightest trouble.

Since I was a little short with money I had to use only light drones - originally I intended to bring 5 light and five medium, and I had to fly with just UV and Radio crystals, but without Multifrequency Crystals as I usually would, so it took a while longer, but it was still not by any means difficult. I usually destroyed enemy frigates on the approach, cruisers within a couple of seconds and stayed out of the effective range of enemy battleships, which is extremely short on this mission.
Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-12-13 13:05:17 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
If too fast with your current skills equip a web or a painter as well.

Maybe you don't, but I am just assuming you are talking about drones.

While it is a good idea to target paint small targets especially for larger drones it is a very bad idea to web targets for drones.

Larger drones will start chasing fast targets after a while instead trying to orbit them. That way they can hit even much smaller targets. If you web those targets the drones will just keep orbiting and miss all the time.
Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-12-13 13:12:14 UTC
Myriel Viper wrote:

[..] I tried only a set if Acolyte II drones[..] "Angel Extravaganza" [..]just UV and Radio crystals

You do know that Angel Cartel pirates have a high EM damage resistance, Amarr drones deal EM damage exclusively and Radio crystals also deal EM only?
That was about the least effective damage output you could have mustered to fight them :D .