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Interdiction Nullified Shuttle - Solution To Greyscales Proposal
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#21 - 2014-10-07 03:43:05 UTC
No.

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#22 - 2014-10-07 13:42:49 UTC
Medalyn Isis wrote:

It is just over 23 days for a new player. The problem is they want to train other stuff also, telling them to slog it out for 23 days just so they can travel to null sec in a poorly fit interceptor which is no use for anything else is not viable or fair to ask of them. They want to train up to fly cruisers and battlecruisers to run missions or rat, as that kind of stuff is what excites a new player, not a 23 day slog for an interceptor.


If you think you can only make it out to null with an interceptor, you are doing something wrong. I first moved to null when I could only fly a badly fit hurricane (no interceptor, no covert ops cloak).
Major Trant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-10-07 14:12:08 UTC
Johann Rascali wrote:
Last I checked you can install medical clones from a medical facility to any station that your corporation holds an office in, including ones without their own medbays.
So, uh...

Dude this is all going away in the next patch due in November, try to keep up with the times:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/long-distance-travel-changes-inbound/?_ga=1.64972902.836046992.1375272821

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=376666


To the OP, this would benefit vets immensely, people would be able to cache caps around the place and travel to them in these shuttles as a work around to avoid Jump fatigue. Cap pilots often haven't trained frigate skills and thus there is a real time cost for them in having to train for an interceptor now.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2014-10-07 17:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Medalyn Isis wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
now on to your idea this will be far more used by non-new players as a coast around null free card so no to your idea from a game play stand point.

I don't see that as an issue, they cannot do much in a shuttle anyway except simply travel. Veteran players already use interceptors in this way anyway, and it is annoying for new players to have to train for a T2 ship in order to do this also.


First, the shuttle will have to be cheap since its intended target is new players...so cheaper than ceptors. So yeah, older players will likely use it too. And they'll use it to move quickly from one cache of ships to the next for defenging multiple fronts if necessary.

To the OP: Also, consider Malcanis' Law:

"Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of 'new players', that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players."

I'd recommend keeping that in the back of your mind when thinking of ideas for newer players.

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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-10-07 18:01:35 UTC
I've yet to see why a newbie dying on the way to null is a problem (oh noes, my 6m atron!). Unless they're in an itty with ALL their earthly possessions. Show me a serious null presence that doesnt have a logistic wing.

A swift glance at the map shows all but the most recent camps - and looking at the map is null 101.


Question: WHY should people moving to "one of the most dangerous areas of space" have their hands held to get there? And don't say "because newbie" -- if you can't get in and out yourself, you're not fit to be there in the first place.
gobbybobby
Negative-Impact
Sedition.
#26 - 2014-10-07 18:38:21 UTC
afkalt wrote:
I've yet to see why a newbie dying on the way to null is a problem (oh noes, my 6m atron!). Unless they're in an itty with ALL their earthly possessions. Show me a serious null presence that doesnt have a logistic wing.

A swift glance at the map shows all but the most recent camps - and looking at the map is null 101.


Question: WHY should people moving to "one of the most dangerous areas of space" have their hands held to get there? And don't say "because newbie" -- if you can't get in and out yourself, you're not fit to be there in the first place.


this.

Theres lots of ways to "learn" things in eve, jumping head first in null is one way to do it and sure, people do, will this make it harder for them, yes, but there allowing really new character the option to jump straight to null so no if anything it will be easier to get a new player to ur null staging/ home as it sounds like there will be a simple button to press, but as a brand new player your better off going fac war/ eve uni/ rvb for a bit first if you want to immediately jump into pvp. When I hear of a brand new (to eve) player joining my corp/ alliance I set it as challenge to get them on some kill mails before the days end!
Oswald Bolke
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-11-06 04:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Oswald Bolke
Feyrin wrote:
I looked at this post initially and thought lol no. But actually veterans use the Ares for exactly this as a glorified interdiction immune shuttle. Adding an interdiction immune "T2" shuttle with build cost around the same as an ares actually wouldn't change anything for Vets but would certainly help new players.


I was just talking about this earlier In BNI chat. and to be honest, it's a great idea. Lower build cost would be a must however....and maybe take away the cargo hold (lore would be it's filled with nullifying equipment) with the new no "death clone" thing this would help newbros move much easier, and open up the shuttle market again

It needs a skill train though, but not as intense as doing intys. maybe just frigate 5 would do
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-11-06 08:30:33 UTC
So nobody cares if a newbie gets ganked in high sec, but it's somehow not on for them to die going out to null?

Riiiiiiiight, that seems legit.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#29 - 2014-11-06 08:56:00 UTC
Absolutely not. I was running Lv2s in an interceptor when I was only about two weeks old. That's how easy they are to train into.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-11-06 09:37:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ix Method
Feyrin wrote:
I looked at this post initially and thought lol no. But actually veterans use the Ares for exactly this as a glorified interdiction immune shuttle. Adding an interdiction immune "T2" shuttle with build cost around the same as an ares actually wouldn't change anything for Vets but would certainly help new players.

The difference being disposable alts can't just buy one off he market and hope in. This is such a terrible idea.

@OP slippery slope arguments are always ridiculous when you have a CCP in the sky who can just say 'No' and slap things down. If you really need lore to save your immersion, figuring some out and submitting it for inclusion is a far preferable solution to twice-a-day instascouts.

A plex to you if it incorporates berries with disastrous consequences.

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