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jump changes - is it true

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#21 - 2014-10-07 10:39:07 UTC
I like what Xercodo wrote about taking advantage of your local production capabilities instead of being a sheep and pack up everything in panic like everybody else does. That would basically be my idea of making that one place among stars more like home, less like temporary camp before winds will blow my tumbleweed further.

But unfortunately my alts in deep null recently got a hint of "better pack your caps and GTFO" advice from their CEOs (yes, renters, deal with it). Which I don't like much because what I wrote in paragraph above. There are anoms, there are rocks, there are BPOs and BPCs for practically everything we would need to stay there so except books and implants we could be fine (and books are easy to get with jump clones in empire). But apparently landlordz won't be able/willing to keep us in protection anymore should sov aggro happen so...

When push comes to shove I can always farm L5s in lowsec so my cap training continues as planned :)

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#22 - 2014-10-07 10:43:45 UTC
cherry popping wrote:
the problem is you can't make em local by lack of resources in a lot of far away regions
they should have tackled that issue first ,you seriously think people would rely on highsec of they could get materials locally?
i mean i (used to) do t2 building in null there is now way i can get the moonmats for that locally so i'm gonna move production to highsec kill the cynotoons park the now useless jf pilot and reduce game to just ratting


I suspect resources revamp is one of those medium to long term steps Greyscale hinted and the reason they didn't do it first is to make people panic and do stupid moves and fight over places closest to empire and when dust will settle they will make outskirts of null have all resources null lacks now. Probably not full of them just to keep fire going but enough for limited entities to fuel their production.

But we will see.

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Cherri Minoa
Serendipity Technologies Inc
#23 - 2014-10-07 10:53:38 UTC
For me, the whole thing was worth it just for this one priceless line from the dev blog:

Quote:
Q: Is the ability to push your fatigue up to really high numbers a good idea?
A: Probably not, no.


So, developing something in the knowledge it's a bad idea, but pushing on regardless. True dedication. Or honesty. Or a warped sense of humour.

"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-10-07 10:54:01 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Yep we are all allready packing up for our move to high sec


again ?

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Tyra Falco
Glasgow Kiss Enterprises
#25 - 2014-10-07 11:58:01 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
apparently landlordz won't be able/willing to keep us in protection anymore should sov aggro happen so...


If your landlords can't protect their sov, then why not TAKE the sov for yourselves?
Or is that just too much parallel thinking for your renter CEO to handle P

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alenotna
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-10-07 13:11:50 UTC
Cherri Minoa wrote:
For me, the whole thing was worth it just for this one priceless line from the dev blog:

Quote:
Q: Is the ability to push your fatigue up to really high numbers a good idea?
A: Probably not, no.


So, developing something in the knowledge it's a bad idea, but pushing on regardless. True dedication. Or honesty. Or a warped sense of humour.


Ha!!! Emphasis on the warped sense of humour, methinks!!! Big smile
Notorious Fellon
#27 - 2014-10-07 13:15:03 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Bastion Arzi wrote:
yeah the blogs are filtered under games lol. luckily the forums is ok.

anyway these changes suck. i have just moved back to null sec and pretty far from hi. getting ships and equipment will be a problem now.


Make them local, that was half the reason for crius. Recruit more miners and manufacturers.

Part of the the point is that you shouldn't be relying on highsec the first place.

The other part is that you shouldn't be fighting anyone want, whenever you want because that's what causes blue donuts. If anyone can batphone their allies in at any time from anywhere then no one bother attacking cause they know they'll get blobbed. Jump drives should be the tactical exception, not the norm.

Edit: Also makes supply lines way more vulnerable which finally adds a new layer to the warfare. The alliance that relies too heavily on high sec will get blockaded because there will be few enough systems that you can jump to from empire that they could cut off your JFs and force you to take normal freighters through gate camps.



This man gets it.

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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#28 - 2014-10-07 13:46:09 UTC
OP didn't read the dev blog.

obligatory related Reddit thread. Don't forget to search the comments for context Cool
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#29 - 2014-10-07 14:03:02 UTC
Tyra Falco wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
apparently landlordz won't be able/willing to keep us in protection anymore should sov aggro happen so...


If your landlords can't protect their sov, then why not TAKE the sov for yourselves?
Or is that just too much parallel thinking for your renter CEO to handle P


What I know for sure that corp is not for fighting but for farming anoms and rocks so I guess even if CEO would want to carve a piece of pie for us he would have to make sure everybody is ok with it. And I guess I am not the only one who put alts there for purely peaceful purposes :)

I am more curious about general renting null and moods there because if I got such hints that means something is going on in general. Usually my guys are chilled out like mofo and take everything with "yeah cool dude whatever" attitude so that evac is even more significant.

Another thing is that landlordz not willing to protect renters doesn't mean force won't be there to stump on possible rebellion. I bet that should timer start ticking on anything important caps would come no matter cooldowns and fatigue.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-10-07 14:49:51 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
I was having a convo with someone last night. This perso informed me that the coming changes to jump freighters means that they will only be able to jump every couple of hours or so.

If this is true wont it kill off regions of nullsec that are far away from high sec trading hubs?

will everybody move to systems that are only 1 jf jump from high?


Dev Blog: Long-Distance Travel Changes Inbound

Since you didn't notice the 374 page threadnaught on this.
Jean Luc Lemmont
Carebears on Fire
#31 - 2014-10-07 14:56:58 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
did you read the dev blog?

Or the 400 page threadnaught including responses from the devs?

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-10-07 15:16:09 UTC
Cherri Minoa wrote:
For me, the whole thing was worth it just for this one priceless line from the dev blog:

Quote:
Q: Is the ability to push your fatigue up to really high numbers a good idea?
A: Probably not, no.


So, developing something in the knowledge it's a bad idea, but pushing on regardless. True dedication. Or honesty. Or a warped sense of humour.


What?

Fatigue is what you get from jumping a lot really fast. Overheating too much damages your fittings. Both will be controllable by the player - both having negative effects if you push the limits.

As such:

Q: Is the ability to burn out your weapons overheating a good idea?
A: Probably not, no.

So introducing overheating was a bad design idea!!!

That doesn't quite fit.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-10-07 15:22:43 UTC
all about context
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-10-07 16:40:30 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Bastion Arzi wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
You'll be able to jump every 6 minutes with a JF if you aren't a moron.


making several small jumps? using several alts? how?

Jump. Wait 6 minutes. Jump. Wait 6 minutes. etc.

Full fatigue after the first 5 LY jump for a JF is 6 minutes. Assuming you don't jump within that time, your free to jump again with no additional penalties at the end of that 6 minutes.


People just tend to have selective reading.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#35 - 2014-10-07 17:05:47 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
They block the dev blogs by not the forums? wat.

I have the same thing - they block the http: but not the https:
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#36 - 2014-10-07 17:18:01 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
And the industrialists are rubbing their hands together gleefully because they're going to start an industrial empire in nullsec.

Sell ships to the hired guns, pay the miners with the ISK earned from selling said ships, hired guns protect miners and haulers, and the self dependent nation slowly spreads its economic influence and takes over the world.


Where is the ISK introduced into the system in that model? You pay hired guns, hired guns buy ships, you pay miners, miners produce minerals, ISK to pay miners or hire guns comes from _______.



ship sales.

You buy ore from miners at -10% jita prices, they can chose to haul the ore to jita themselves for the extra 10%, but prolly won't. You refine and make the ship yourself, so now you are cost -10%, if you sell to the fighters at cost, the corp gains a 10% profit. If you match or even go under jita prices by 10% the corp makes a bigger profit. You can also have the defenders put there loot into a SRP pot, a lot of corps that are good at pvp supplement SRP this way. Your corp also has a tax rate on pi and ratting, this would give you more iskies to pay people with.

Mainly you buy stuff anf a smaller mark down. And if you own a refiner station you can tax that too.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-10-07 17:27:53 UTC
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Yep we are all allready packing up for our move to high sec


We don't want you.

Maybe CVA will rent you a system.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#38 - 2014-10-07 19:28:20 UTC
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