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Microtransactions in EVE

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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#1 - 2011-12-10 15:46:47 UTC
I've seen some quotes from CCP and the CSM regarding Microtransactions saying that this is what the majority of players want, so I have some questions.


1) Should PLEX be the only Microtransaction in EVE? Yes / No

2) What do you as a player want ... more meaningful gamplay options or more NeX (Microtransaction) items? Gameplay / NeX

3) Would you prefer to see ship skins, clothing, etc enter the game via the player economy, LP rewards, etc? Yes / No

4) Would players use PLEX so they could purchase ship skins, clothing, etc that were manufactured by other players through the traditional EVE industry process? Yes / No

5) Was the inclusion of the NeX Store the right move for EVE? Yes / No

6) Would you continue to play EVE if the NeX Store was expanded upon into other areas of the game? Yes / No

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-10 16:13:44 UTC
Quote:
I've seen some quotes from CCP and the CSM regarding Microtransactions saying that this is what the majority of players want, so I have some questions.


1) Should PLEX be the only Microtransaction in EVE? Yes / No

2) What do you as a player want ... more meaningful gamplay options or more NeX (Microtransaction) items? Gameplay / NeX

3) Would you prefer to see ship skins, clothing, etc enter the game via the player economy, LP rewards, etc? Yes / No

4) Would players use PLEX so they could purchase ship skins, clothing, etc that were manufactured by other players through the traditional EVE industry process? Yes / No

5) Was the inclusion of the NeX Store the right move for EVE? Yes / No

6) Would you continue to play EVE if the NeX Store was expanded upon into other areas of the game? Yes / No


1) there should be no microtransaction in eve.
2) gameplay
3) yes
4) no
5) hell no
6) no
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-12-10 16:16:40 UTC
Let me start off by saying I like that you did not say anything yourself. This way you don't seem biased *thumbs up*

Now on to the survey.

1) I dont think PLEX should be the only MC system. I dont like that you have to buy a PLEX and then convert it to aurum. Its a clunky and inefective system. Buying aurum straight into your wallet would be more seamless imo.

2) We have had quite a lot of gameplay added. Would not hurt to see what else they can bring cosmetic wise.

3) I'm on the fence on this. Not by player economy, that would imply that players themselves make it. and well there is big room for abuse here. Or they have to go throu a screening witch may take time and resource uneccesarily. LP rewards might work, but I would like to have a skin when I want it, not having to work with a faction I not necciseraly want to work with just for something cosmetic. A maybe leaning towards no.

4) Depends on prices but probably yes.

5) Not in the tempo and suddeness it was released.

6) Yes.

Hope my answers are satisfactory, If not...

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.

Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#4 - 2011-12-13 00:54:31 UTC
Interesting, from the general apethetic attitude towards microtransactions it looks like CCP made a mistake slowing the further expansion of them in EVE.

So I guess other than 'Gold Ammo' which people raged about, everything else is open for inclusion as microtransactions. Looks like CCP could have made a fortune off of the vanity engine trails we received with Crucible.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Samuel Geary
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-12-13 01:28:37 UTC
No, no, no. No more Micro/Macro-transactions please. Not for vanity items, not for fluff, not for anything. If EvE goes free-to-play then by all means, knock yourselves out with a cash shop, but until such time... no cash shop. Plex is the only exception because it works both plays, you can buy it with real money, but you can also buy game time with ISK, so it balances out.

Perhaps if you could buy an 'Aurum plex' with ISK that might make the cash shop less vile.

1) Yes (although it's not Micro, it's a Macro-transaction. There is nothing 'micro' about the cost of these items).
2) Both, as long as the Nex store items can be purchased through in game currency.
3) Yes
4) Why not just charge ISK.
5) No, no, no... and no.
6) Not in it's current form no.
Gorefacer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-12-13 01:33:16 UTC
I hate the Microtransaction model and in the past have refused to get at all invested in games that use it. In EVE I'll make an exception since I got hooked long before this existed. I won't put any extra money into NEX at all and if the items become exclusive or superior to regular items with functionality in normal game play I will leave.

Sorry I didn't itemize my answer but I think it covers your bullet points.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#7 - 2011-12-13 01:36:16 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
I've seen some quotes from CCP and the CSM regarding Microtransactions saying that this is what the majority of players want


Citation needed.

I don't think the majority of EVE players want MT in this subscription-based game, and I'd like to see hard data to the contrary..

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-12-13 01:38:54 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
I've seen some quotes from CCP and the CSM regarding Microtransactions saying that this is what the majority of players want, so I have some questions.


1) Should PLEX be the only Microtransaction in EVE? Yes / No

2) What do you as a player want ... more meaningful gamplay options or more NeX (Microtransaction) items? Gameplay / NeX

3) Would you prefer to see ship skins, clothing, etc enter the game via the player economy, LP rewards, etc? Yes / No

4) Would players use PLEX so they could purchase ship skins, clothing, etc that were manufactured by other players through the traditional EVE industry process? Yes / No

5) Was the inclusion of the NeX Store the right move for EVE? Yes / No

6) Would you continue to play EVE if the NeX Store was expanded upon into other areas of the game? Yes / No



1/ Yes and it is / Aur is PLEX in disguise
2/whatever comes, dont really care that much. Everything which is in game is more then enough for me.
3/Manufacture / chose skin of manufactured ship/ pay AUR / move in minerals / built .. sounds reasonable.
4/viz 3
5/Yes, people over-reaction and stubbornness was however what makes the answer NO
6/Yes, i will continue playing the game as long as there are people seeding PLEXes on market for affordable price.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#9 - 2011-12-13 01:45:28 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
I've seen some quotes from CCP and the CSM regarding Microtransactions saying that this is what the majority of players want


Citation needed.

I don't think the majority of EVE players want MT in this subscription-based game, and I'd like to see hard data to the contrary..




I have a feeling we might have been sold out on this question by members of the current CSM who will have been "seen" as representing the majority of the player base in recent discussions on Microtransactions.

Sadly I think we have missed an opportunity to be rid of NeX style microtransactions and more future content will be delivered this way due in part to the cowardice of some of our elected representatives.

Ultimately it'll lead either to future riots and renewed unsubs or perhaps a growing sense of apathy as those of us that loathe the concept of this hybrid double-charging system continue to pay by plex rather than reinvesting in a directly paid subscription that is under devaluing threat from aurum content.

Speaking personally I'm quite disappointed with the lack of guts from some and rather credulous acceptance of the "need" for this adoption of a two tier content-fractured Eve by other members of the player base.

I'd like to think we'll see the rise of some genuine anti-microtransaction candidates at the next CSM elections - but real politic being what it is amongst most established voting blocs that seems quite unlikely.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Plyn
Uncharted.
#10 - 2011-12-13 01:46:05 UTC
Samuel Geary wrote:
...Plex is the only exception because it works both plays, you can buy it with real money, but you can also buy game time with ISK, so it balances out.

Perhaps if you could buy an 'Aurum plex' with ISK that might make the cash shop less vile...

You do realize that you can buy plex off the in game market and break it into aurum, right? There is an in game mechanic for acquiring aurum without ever spending a cent of real money.... The system you ask for already exists.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#11 - 2011-12-13 01:48:08 UTC
Is that a new T2 salvage?
Plyn
Uncharted.
#12 - 2011-12-13 01:52:48 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
...Sadly I think we have missed an opportunity to be rid of NeX style microtransactions and more future content will be delivered this way due in part to the cowardice of some of our elected representatives.

Ultimately it'll lead either to future riots and renewed unsubs or perhaps a growing sense of apathy as those of us that loathe the concept of this hybrid double-charging system continue to pay by plex rather than reinvesting in a directly paid subscription that is under devaluing threat from aurum content...


Your subscription gives you all the perks and opportunities it gave you before, and thus hasn't been 'devalued' at all.

People should also try to keep in mind that one of CCP's aims with having people use aurum to buy from NEX was to judge how much, if any, content will be released. The people that develop the stuff for NEX are essentially paid directly from the money that the NEX raises, so in essence none of your $ from your sub is being dumped on NEX content at all.
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#13 - 2011-12-13 01:57:51 UTC
PLEX makes this a Pay 2 Win game, the rest is par for the course...
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-12-13 01:59:56 UTC
Crystal Liche wrote:
PLEX makes this a Pay 2 Win game, the rest is par for the course...


What is there to win ? Its game. If by win you mean having fun then maybe. But people who dont seeding PLEXes for ISK on market can have their fun too ...

As Akita T wrote on old forums..

Since when an State Raven fitted with officer mods is win? From what i remember it used to be called an loot pinata.


Myxx
The Scope
#15 - 2011-12-13 02:08:25 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
Quote:
I've seen some quotes from CCP and the CSM regarding Microtransactions saying that this is what the majority of players want, so I have some questions.


1) Should PLEX be the only Microtransaction in EVE? Yes / No

2) What do you as a player want ... more meaningful gamplay options or more NeX (Microtransaction) items? Gameplay / NeX

3) Would you prefer to see ship skins, clothing, etc enter the game via the player economy, LP rewards, etc? Yes / No

4) Would players use PLEX so they could purchase ship skins, clothing, etc that were manufactured by other players through the traditional EVE industry process? Yes / No

5) Was the inclusion of the NeX Store the right move for EVE? Yes / No

6) Would you continue to play EVE if the NeX Store was expanded upon into other areas of the game? Yes / No


1) there should be no microtransaction in eve.
2) gameplay
3) yes
4) no
5) hell no
6) no


What that guy said.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#16 - 2011-12-13 02:10:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Plyn wrote:

People should also try to keep in mind that one of CCP's aims with having people use aurum to buy from NEX was to judge how much, if any, content will be released. The people that develop the stuff for NEX are essentially paid directly from the money that the NEX raises, so in essence none of your $ from your sub is being dumped on NEX content at all.


Citation needed please!

Also, how were these people who were developing NEX store content being paid for the last 2 years? From EVE subscription revenue perhaps?

Edit: Also, do you think that present NEX store purchases are able to fund/sustain present NEX content and development

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2011-12-13 02:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
1) Mu. There should be no microtransactions in EVE; PLEX are not MT.
2) Gameplay and less NeX (less as in “no NeX” since it serves exactly zero purpose for players and actively removes gameplay).
3) Yes.
4) They're already doing that by trading PLEX for ISK, so probably.
5) No.
6) Other arenas such as what?
Samuel Geary
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-12-13 02:31:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Samuel Geary
Plyn wrote:
Samuel Geary wrote:
...Plex is the only exception because it works both plays, you can buy it with real money, but you can also buy game time with ISK, so it balances out.

Perhaps if you could buy an 'Aurum plex' with ISK that might make the cash shop less vile...

You do realize that you can buy plex off the in game market and break it into aurum, right? There is an in game mechanic for acquiring aurum without ever spending a cent of real money.... The system you ask for already exists.


I didn't realize that no, that's good. Thanks for the info.

If everything in the Nex store can be purchased with ISK (converted to Aurum) then I guess the system is ok, although I do think things on the Nex store are way too expensive at the moment, and there isn't much choice. And I have to wonder why Aurum is even needed, why not just let everyone use ISK.

When ship paint jobs and logos etc are introduced, I don't think they should be on the store, that should be done in station with isk, imo.

And just to reiterate: There should be no cash shops in a subscription based game.
Just Lilly
#19 - 2011-12-13 02:45:11 UTC
1, Maybe
2. Both
3, Maybe
4, Both
5, Yes
6, Yes
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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#20 - 2011-12-13 03:03:14 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
I've seen some quotes from CCP and the CSM regarding Microtransactions saying that this is what the majority of players want


Citation needed.

I don't think the majority of EVE players want MT in this subscription-based game, and I'd like to see hard data to the contrary..


Concidering that the CSM have said many times over that they are fine with microtransactions in EVE and they potentially have the ear of CCP, then we all get lumped into their view of things.

As for other quotes from CCP I am basing my comments off of multiple sources where they have discussed microtransactions, vanity items, etc over a long period of time. I know that doesn't give you a singular reference to look at, but the information is out there if you want to do some digging and find it.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

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