Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For the last couple of days I have been thinking about the upcoming changes to long-distance travel. I completely support the idea of decreasing the distance that can be travelled by capitals in a day.

However, my main concern is with average joe logistics. Everyone needs supplies now and then. And no one wants to spend hours a day jumping gates to get a new ship after they lost one. There is a reason freight services have such a big role in EVE today. Due to their scale they can make some profit for their time spent hauling. On the other hand not every average joe has to own a blockade runner and spend valuable hours of his playtime getting stuff to his home system.

As many have said before, hauling services will cease to exist after these changes. Their capacity will either be demanded by their alliances or the one trip they can do per day will just not be worth their time. There are people in my alliance that haul 10 million m3 per day. No amount of freighter runs (requiring ten times the amount of people at hugely increased risks) will make up for that loss.

I think there is an alternative to the proposed changes that will make everyone's life better:

• Upon your first jump you will get a fatigue timer. This is a fixed 24-48 hour timer (could depend on skills). During this timer you will not be able to jump to any system that is further away than 20 - 25 LY (could depend on skills) from the system you started your timer from. You can however jump as much as you want within this 'sphere'


• Keep the jump range reduction but give JF and rorqs and exception to have a range of something like 7-8 LY.


• Allow capitals through gates.


• Maybe introduce a fixed timer between every jump to slow down the frequency of jumps

Doing it this way, multiple logistic runs per day will still be possible. You will not be able to move your goods over half the galaxy but you will still be able to move the same volume as you can move now but only within your own region or to the closest exit point. This will allow distant regions to not be cut off from empire by these changes and will keep living in npc null viable for smaller groups with 1 or 2 logistics people.

This will also allow the current BLOPS play style to persevere. The only restriction being that the group of pilots will be limited to the region where they make their first jump from.

This will also allow any attackers to have more options on how they want to invade a region. They can move close a few days in advance of their invasion (or use gates to get there) and from there they can span that whole region. This should allow for more dynamic fights and not give the defenders an enormous advantage.

It will still not allow people to move accros vast amounts of space within minutes to join a fight many lightyears away.

I'm pretty sure I made some horrible mistakes in this proposition but it just makes me feel a lot better than what was proposed by CCP.

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There would be for example the haul lots of ships in the jf, assemble on site to avoid fatigue on the titans.

What ccp has in mind to some is force local production in many people's views. Bulk of mins local, whatever moon goo local and in theory haulers haul less as they should be only doing materials missing. Station slots full? Not like many are scared to throw up a pos, throw up construction mods with them.


This puts the focus on how the corps react to this. Will they still use slots to make stuff to go to jita sales? well that will soon hurt them. SO hardcore pvp even ship building is too carebear, well then they can get their pvp maybe on hauler escort ops when they turn to gate use.


JF's are being looked at as innocent bystanders. They aren't. They are a tool that adds to stagnation in 0.0. Lets have 2 blobs. Both with good FRP/SRP program and good material logistics. Blob A rolls blob B on Monday. Yay bolb A. Blob B rest of the night brings in fresh supplies easy as pie. So that Tuesday night...well here we are again, 2 blobs bashing heads full strength. The hit to jf's will add some complexity. Yes they have a great FRP/SRP program, Question is do the markets as well as the wallet support it however.

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5LY is there for reason, and I suppose you know that reason and trying to keep your carebear life. I have only one thing for you left: HTFU!

And when you decide to leave EVE, can I have your stuff? THX

if all it takes is a cap alt every 20ly that will be abused

you get around that the same way the large alliances are going to attempt to get around the current jump fatigue system. With weapon caches stashed around strategic locations.

The only difference is that your suggestion just decreased the number of weapon caches necessary per volume of space

Have you considered that the idea is for the Logistics to take days not hours like it does now?

Think of it like ordering something from say Amazon, it doesn't get to your house in a few hours unless you live next door to the shipping dock it came in on and it went straight to you from there. With this initiative the idea is for logistics to be possible but to take substantially longer like the package that will take days to get to your home. now your jump freighter might take 2 days once you cool down your fatigue and move cynos, maybe a week at the most if you live way out there. Consider more cyno alts the version of "Priority Shipping" since theoretically you can take even more time off your trip.

People have run the calculations, its all still possible, CCP just wants to make people work for their lifestyles now where before there was complacency and lazyness. Were trimming the fat by putting people on the treadmill, and its going to burn at first until you lose the excess and get back into shape for it. But once your in shape for it, that run will be a cakewalk and you will be used to it. Some people wont make the run, theyll just continue on with their complacency and lazyness or move to closer regions so they dont work as hard.

But i can tell you from experience both in EvE and in real life, you have to burn some to earn some.

( and yes i lived in Null sec I know how much logistics means, Stain if you were wondering )

This wouldn't solve anything this is just alt to get there alt to get back

It would force capital deployments to stay for a while if they wish to move long-range. Large amounts of capitals mobilized at once are not just going to chill wherever and hope they get to log out okay. They will have to set up a safe base in or near hostile territory if they don't control any space near enough to the deployment zone. The alternative is not jumping that far.

My ranges may be off too. Maybe they should be reduced. Perhaps halfway across the galaxy one-way is more than enough. People can take two runs to move their capitals where they need to be, or purchase them on the half of the galaxy where they want them. Can't be that limiting to have only half of the entire galactic market available.

There should be significant amounts of nullsec that are too far from lowsec for capitals to jump out to them and back to lowsec in one quick run.

Then lock the character AND the ship.