These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Wormholes

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
Previous page12
 

[Google Doc] September Monthly Killboard Comparison
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#21 - 2014-10-02 03:20:04 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
This is interesting data.

AdAdstra (10%), SnailsAndFrogs (10%), KICK, WH0RE, BAERS all get less than a third of their kill value in WH space. Golf claps all around. That's some amazing wormholing, AdAstra.

The average ISK killed in w-space versus total is 57%.

Excluding capitals, i think it is fair to say that a majority of entities get more numerical kills outside of w-space than inside. QUEX and BU got an average of 94% of ISK killed in w-space.

The median value of WH kills has gone from 25-28 billion per month pre Hyperion down to 21 (across ALL entities) in September. It will be interesting to see if this continues trending lower.

Likewise, the average is trending down from 72B in May, 58 June, 49 in july, 44 in August and 41B in September. As low as April.

Number of kills on average has trended down similarly; 83 in April, 104 in May, 95 June, 90 July, 87 August and 76 in September.
The medium number of total kills per corp follows the same trajectory.

Conclusions?

Well, I guess we have to wait another 5 months but there is a clear trend of wormhole PVP losing out to k-space PVPing. We are seeing, on average and in aggregate, less being killed in terms of ISk and individual kills, by wormholers, since April.

The data doesn't address the issue directly, and capital kills in terms of ISk certainly heavily skew data in wormholes towards a few capital ganks washing out hundreds of BRAVE Atrons and Moas, so it's hard to say if there's even less wormhole PVP being had than this suggests. it's likely, I've certainly not experienced anywhere near the number of random encounters of even POSed up fools in the past 6 weeks.

So, going forward, I hope that Fozzie is reading this and realises that he's got to look at actual hard facts. if he doesn't, well, it doesn't bode well.






He'll look at them, maybe...once...probably not... give it a couple years and they might get back to you on it.
Winthorp
#22 - 2014-10-02 04:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
Jack Miton wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills.


^^^this


^^^^this.

When the old spreadsheet was maintained for WH space entities it did have K-space and WH space kills seperatable by the click of a button and it was great. It really showed different aspects of how corps operate also.

I won't even bother looking at a spreadsheet without it TBH because some WH corps are basically null corps nowadays anyway....
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-10-02 05:53:31 UTC
Looks like LazorHawks are actually top of the list.
Remember kids, kspace kills don't count if you're a WH corp.

There is no Bob.

Stuck In Here With Me:  http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/

Down the Pipe:  http://feeds.feedburner.com/CloakyScout
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#24 - 2014-10-02 07:30:52 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
...Let me rephrase: AdAstra are the best PVPers out of this selection of corps by a fair margin.


By the universal standard metric of your opinion?


By the universal standard metric of kills/member.
Tung Yoggi
University of Caille
#25 - 2014-10-02 17:55:58 UTC
Well since chain rolling sadly shares some strong similarities with titan hugging, adastra and us, which are former 0.0 whitetrashes, prefer to look actively for 0.0 exits. However, we generally welcome WH pvp when it comes to us.

You may even say we're drone regions corps, it would be almost true and we would not care either.

Nice work by the way, thanks !
Hatshepsut IV
Un.Reasonable
#26 - 2014-10-03 00:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hatshepsut IV
Aiyshimin wrote:
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
...Let me rephrase: AdAstra are the best PVPers out of this selection of corps by a fair margin.


By the universal standard metric of your opinion?


By the universal standard metric of kills/member.



Which doesn't really hold up when in reality all three corps are basically sharing the same fights. By your logic people killing nonstop pods in highsec in a corp of 1 must be the greatest pvpers of all.

Public Channel | Un.Welcome
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-10-03 00:59:49 UTC
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
Hatshepsut IV wrote:
Aiyshimin wrote:
...Let me rephrase: AdAstra are the best PVPers out of this selection of corps by a fair margin.


By the universal standard metric of your opinion?


By the universal standard metric of kills/member.



Which doesn't really hold up when in reality all three corps are basically sharing the same fights. By your logic people killing nonstop pods in highsec in a corp of 1 must be the greatest pvpers of all.


Or you could just not care what anybody thinks and play the game for fun.

vOv

By my metric, I'm winning.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#28 - 2014-10-03 02:23:08 UTC
Looks like SSC might be #1 in October.
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-10-03 02:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Bronya Boga
Natasha Donnan wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills.


^^^this


I've got this data if people are interested. Noobman, not trying to steal your thunder or anything here.

Out of interest there also seems to be an issue with the stats page on zkillboard, if a corp member gets on your kill mail then it seems to appear in the stats page as a kill for your corp rather than a loss. This hopefully explains the difference between some of the figures on Noobmans sheet and mine.

here


Dont know about the rest but the numbers for iso are way off

edit: nvm you fixed it
Epigene
Cordata Enterprises
#30 - 2014-10-04 22:15:09 UTC
How did we make it on the list? Does that mean we are now officially a bad-ass PvP alliance? :)

My blog
Chesterfield Fancypantz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-10-05 11:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Chesterfield Fancypantz
Trinkets friend wrote:
This is interesting data.

AdAdstra (10%), SnailsAndFrogs (10%), KICK, WH0RE, BAERS all get less than a third of their kill value in WH space. Golf claps all around. That's some amazing wormholing, AdAstra.

The average ISK killed in w-space versus total is 57%.

Excluding capitals, i think it is fair to say that a majority of entities get more numerical kills outside of w-space than inside. QUEX and BU got an average of 94% of ISK killed in w-space.

The median value of WH kills has gone from 25-28 billion per month pre Hyperion down to 21 (across ALL entities) in September. It will be interesting to see if this continues trending lower.

Likewise, the average is trending down from 72B in May, 58 June, 49 in july, 44 in August and 41B in September. As low as April.

Number of kills on average has trended down similarly; 83 in April, 104 in May, 95 June, 90 July, 87 August and 76 in September.
The medium number of total kills per corp follows the same trajectory.

Conclusions?

Well, I guess we have to wait another 5 months but there is a clear trend of wormhole PVP losing out to k-space PVPing. We are seeing, on average and in aggregate, less being killed in terms of ISk and individual kills, by wormholers, since April.

The data doesn't address the issue directly, and capital kills in terms of ISk certainly heavily skew data in wormholes towards a few capital ganks washing out hundreds of BRAVE Atrons and Moas, so it's hard to say if there's even less wormhole PVP being had than this suggests. it's likely, I've certainly not experienced anywhere near the number of random encounters of even POSed up fools in the past 6 weeks.

So, going forward, I hope that Fozzie is reading this and realises that he's got to look at actual hard facts. if he doesn't, well, it doesn't bode well.





I just thought I would reply on behalf of WH0RE.

I agree that a large percentage of our kills are in nullsec/lowsec. The lack of people in wormhole spaces means that for the most part, wormholes are for skirmishes and PvE and the serious pvp is in raiding nullsec/lowsec. We take damn near every fight we can in wormhole space, but we often go a day or two without making contact with a decent sized corp to give us a fight.

We get much more consistant content and fights by raiding nullsec with assault frigates, interceptors, and dictors and try to catch ratters and provoke nullbears into fights, then randomly rolling just to simply hope to catch a populated system/chain. It has always been my position that our policy should be to raid null/low for pvp, and take what fights we can in the WH when they appear. Most of the time its just random ganks tbh. Its a fallacy that just because we live in wormholes, we need to focus on wormhole PVP.

TLDR: We want WH fights, but they arnt there.
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
#32 - 2014-10-06 12:50:07 UTC
Lo Noobman,

the column "kills per member" is broken. e.g. line 14.

Regards
Gal
Previous page12