Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The guy that gets your point forgets that the only reason corps are dangerous is because the guy you recruited yesterday might start hunting random people in your own corp. This is something you face even outside of highsec, and highsec should be no different. If you recruited an awoxer, guess what, your recruiter failed his job. If you recruited multiple awoxers, then your recruitment process failed.

As far as Marsan's points. One, you can't teach a noob proper pvp using the crappy duel mechanics. It takes longer than 15 minutes to give a pvp lesson. Also, say I want to have a 20 man free for all frigate battle with my corp, the winer taking a nice juicy prize. Each one of those players would need to issue a duel invitation to every other player, while accepting 19 other duel invitations at the same time. This is feasable, but annoying as ****. Now ramp that number up to 50, a not unreasonable number for some of the larger highsec corps. The mechanics of that many duel invitations alone would take longer than the 15 minute timers from the first ones. In either case, all it takes is one person clicking no on accident and the whole thing is ruined by Concord.

A fine example here is the recent RvB celebration in Jita. That massive free for all, which all involved stated was a blast, would not have been possible without the current ability to shoot corpies. You go tell the guys that had so much fun there that they will never be able to do that again, all because you're afraid that you might recruit an awoxer. Se what kind of response you get.

So, once again, no. You may not remove even more risk from an already risk averse region of the game.

EvE is a game where villanry and general asshatery are not merely allowed, they are encouraged.

Let's look at this from a different viewpoint, and please try to give an honest answer to this. At what point do you draw the line in trying to remove non-consentual PvP from highsec?

I may be mistaken here, so if there's someone from those early days around they're free to correct me, but when CCP decided to have CONCORD ignore a person shooting his own corpmates, it was for reasons that did not include AWOXing. AWOXing is just a thing that has come up as a result of the opportunity being there.

Those reasons are now covered by the duel mechanic, as I understand, and so literally the only two reasons to retain being able to freely attack your own corpmates are AWOXing and webbing freighters into warp.

This post is neither in support of nor against keeping/removing the ability to AWOX, it's just pointing out something may as well be said.

On an equally neutral note, I do want to add that all this talk of "effective screening practices" is complete nonsense and anyone who's been here more than a year should know that anything more than marginally-effective screening is literally impossible. If someone wants to go on safari, there is nothing stopping them except their dedication to the cause - API keys and background checks aren't going to yield anything about other accounts.

EVE has changed since I first started.. I enjoy both the pvp and pve... but I played more when I could do some risk adverse stuff, I had an option before.. I no longer have the option..

Go reread my post about inter-corp pvp tournaments, better yet, try and arrange one among your corpies... oh wait, you can't.


Then why did you waste the time to write about something that has already been said?


Actually, you'd be surprised what you can learn from an API check. All you have to do is get bored with grinding isk for that alt once and slip it some cash or give it a ship and it's there in your API. Sure, it's possible to sneak an awoxer in, and some go for deep, deep cover, but your average highsec awoxer is pretty blatant about it and doesn't usually bother to try and cover their tracks too well.

Btw instead of AWOXers using the brain dead "lol you invited me, nao you die" wouldn't it be more fun to lure them into lowsec or a wormhole where you can kill them as much as you want within the set rules?

There are a bunch of other ways to hurt a corp from the inside too through theft and lies, way more creative and interesting things than this random pvp.

And before someone mentions tightening security more I don't want to touch suicide ganking, its a system that works under the rules and everyone is aware of the risk.

Having a choice to pvp or not should be that.. a choice.

Thats another change I would like, I dont think it should be so easy to duck a wardec. Give the people who leaves a wardecced corp something like a week while they cant join any other corp.

All I want is PvP to be through organized mechanics and not some hole in the rules, I still want it to be there tho.

Oh I'm very sure that I'm not the first to suggest any of these ideas but i have yet to see a thread where the problem is well written out, discussed and not instantly shot down by people like you who cant take a constructive discussion about the issue.