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Friend is quitting Eve after he is caught out with Bonus room scam

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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#141 - 2014-09-29 00:22:58 UTC
I am suing everyone in this thread because of words! I am filing an injunction to prevent this since I feel that the community needs to communicate via dolphin chirps and whale noises from now on.

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#142 - 2014-09-29 03:42:09 UTC
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:
I am suing everyone in this thread because of words! I am filing an injunction to prevent this since I feel that the community needs to communicate via dolphin chirps and whale noises from now on.


Uh huh - way to completely miss the point. This was about a lot more than "words."
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#143 - 2014-09-29 09:54:42 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Uh huh - way to completely miss the point. This was about a lot more than "words."



Yer right.

It was all about a lying sack of crap who sat on the CSM using his space detective skills (aka, lying) to get someone banned for not breaking any laws or sections of the EULA.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#144 - 2014-09-29 13:02:19 UTC
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:
I am suing everyone in this thread because of words! I am filing an injunction to prevent this since I feel that the community needs to communicate via dolphin chirps and whale noises from now on.


Well, good Sir 14330909, I am going to sue YOU because that post OFFENDED me! Im not quite sure how, but it rubbed me just a tad the wrong way. Therefore, bans inc.

I wonder if this works with tax collectors....

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hetty B
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2014-09-30 14:08:43 UTC
I can confirm my friend has had all his SP replaced and his sec status fixed, also has been giving a full 6 months free game time by CCP.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#146 - 2014-09-30 16:06:53 UTC
Full API key or it didn't happen?

Though, I really don't want to see confirmation that CCP is dirtying up our player gene pool by propping up r-tards continued existence (in gameTM), rather than allowing evolution (and content creators as evolutionary agents) to do their holy work...

F

Would you like to know more?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#147 - 2014-09-30 16:30:59 UTC
hetty B wrote:
I can confirm my friend has had all his SP replaced and his sec status fixed, also has been giving a full 6 months free game time by CCP.

prove it

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hetty B
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2014-10-01 11:07:29 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
hetty B wrote:
I can confirm my friend has had all his SP replaced and his sec status fixed, also has been giving a full 6 months free game time by CCP.

prove it


Not my place to go this far, he will need to do that himself. Besides it's against forum rules to discuss ongoing or finished support tickets.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#149 - 2014-10-01 21:57:11 UTC
hetty B wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
hetty B wrote:
I can confirm my friend has had all his SP replaced and his sec status fixed, also has been giving a full 6 months free game time by CCP.

prove it


Not my place to go this far, he will need to do that himself. Besides it's against forum rules to discuss ongoing or finished support tickets.


It's not against forum rules to post API keys. It's just not encouraged.
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#150 - 2014-10-01 22:36:49 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:
I am suing everyone in this thread because of words! I am filing an injunction to prevent this since I feel that the community needs to communicate via dolphin chirps and whale noises from now on.


Well, good Sir 14330909, I am going to sue YOU because that post OFFENDED me! Im not quite sure how, but it rubbed me just a tad the wrong way. Therefore, bans inc.

I wonder if this works with tax collectors....


Well these words have rubbed me in a good way and I did not want to felt up like this! So I am going to file a counter suit regarding these words! TOUCHE!

As far as the tax collectors go... doubtful, since they'll always get what they want. Maybe we should start our own country!

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

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Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#151 - 2014-10-03 06:10:23 UTC
hetty B wrote:
i had no idea he would be so silly as to fall for the bonus room scam.


I think this sentence summarizes the topic well enough. The rest is unnecessary.

"NUTS!!!" - general McAuliffe
Wraymond Arji
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#152 - 2014-10-04 20:57:52 UTC
How is this even a scam or exploit? Like where is the part where it gets the perpetrators a lot of isk? Wasn't this just abuse and the "victims" being too stupid to just leave and move on?
Black Pedro
Mine.
#153 - 2014-10-05 15:19:34 UTC
Wraymond Arji wrote:
How is this even a scam or exploit? Like where is the part where it gets the perpetrators a lot of isk? Wasn't this just abuse and the "victims" being too stupid to just leave and move on?

It is a scam as part of the Bonus Room requires the victim to contract away all his or her assets to the scammer and their associates as a demonstration of "faith".

There is a good description of the mechanics of the Bonus Room in the recent article by James 315.

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Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#154 - 2014-10-05 16:58:19 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Wraymond Arji wrote:
How is this even a scam or exploit? Like where is the part where it gets the perpetrators a lot of isk? Wasn't this just abuse and the "victims" being too stupid to just leave and move on?

It is a scam as part of the Bonus Room requires the victim to contract away all his or her assets to the scammer and their associates as a demonstration of "faith".

There is a good description of the mechanics of the Bonus Room in the recent article by James 315.



Scamming is something that happens in-game. BRs in voice comms brings the person into the mix, not their character.

Scamming a character = OK
Scamming a person = not OK
Black Pedro
Mine.
#155 - 2014-10-05 17:15:59 UTC
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Wraymond Arji wrote:
How is this even a scam or exploit? Like where is the part where it gets the perpetrators a lot of isk? Wasn't this just abuse and the "victims" being too stupid to just leave and move on?

It is a scam as part of the Bonus Room requires the victim to contract away all his or her assets to the scammer and their associates as a demonstration of "faith".

There is a good description of the mechanics of the Bonus Room in the recent article by James 315.



Scamming is something that happens in-game. BRs in voice comms brings the person into the mix, not their character.

Scamming a character = OK
Scamming a person = not OK


Contracting all your assets to an ISK doubler for a chance at billions of ISK isn't a scam in-game?

The time-honoured singing ransom for your tackled ship on voice comms doesn't "bring the person into the mix"?

I think you should read the article I linked and reevaluate your ideas on what is "in-game" and what isn't. It certainly isn't as black-and-white and you seem to think.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#156 - 2014-10-05 17:45:10 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Wraymond Arji wrote:
How is this even a scam or exploit? Like where is the part where it gets the perpetrators a lot of isk? Wasn't this just abuse and the "victims" being too stupid to just leave and move on?

It is a scam as part of the Bonus Room requires the victim to contract away all his or her assets to the scammer and their associates as a demonstration of "faith".

There is a good description of the mechanics of the Bonus Room in the recent article by James 315.



Scamming is something that happens in-game. BRs in voice comms brings the person into the mix, not their character.

Scamming a character = OK
Scamming a person = not OK


Contracting all your assets to an ISK doubler for a chance at billions of ISK isn't a scam in-game?

The time-honoured singing ransom for your tackled ship on voice comms doesn't "bring the person into the mix"?

I think you should read the article I linked and reevaluate your ideas on what is "in-game" and what isn't. It certainly isn't as black-and-white and you seem to think.



Transferring all of your assets to an ISK doubler is absolutely an in-game scam. Nothing wrong with it at all.

Asking someone to sing on voice comms is bringing the player into it, not just the character. That crosses a line.

I read the article, and as usual James315 is full of himself.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#157 - 2014-10-05 18:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Petre en Thielles wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
Wraymond Arji wrote:
How is this even a scam or exploit? Like where is the part where it gets the perpetrators a lot of isk? Wasn't this just abuse and the "victims" being too stupid to just leave and move on?

It is a scam as part of the Bonus Room requires the victim to contract away all his or her assets to the scammer and their associates as a demonstration of "faith".

There is a good description of the mechanics of the Bonus Room in the recent article by James 315.



Scamming is something that happens in-game. BRs in voice comms brings the person into the mix, not their character.

Scamming a character = OK
Scamming a person = not OK


Contracting all your assets to an ISK doubler for a chance at billions of ISK isn't a scam in-game?

The time-honoured singing ransom for your tackled ship on voice comms doesn't "bring the person into the mix"?

I think you should read the article I linked and reevaluate your ideas on what is "in-game" and what isn't. It certainly isn't as black-and-white and you seem to think.



Transferring all of your assets to an ISK doubler is absolutely an in-game scam. Nothing wrong with it at all.

Asking someone to sing on voice comms is bringing the player into it, not just the character. That crosses a line.

I read the article, and as usual James315 is full of himself.


Well then perhaps you should let CCP know that singing on voice comms crosses a line - they have condoned, even participated in singing ransoms for years until recently deciding to start banning people for something similar without warning or even explicitly telling them why.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#158 - 2014-10-05 19:43:20 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:

Well then perhaps you should let CCP know that singing on voice comms crosses a line - they have condoned, even participated in singing ransoms for years until recently deciding to start banning people for something similar without warning or even explicitly telling them why.



Would I get permabanned for having someone sing Permaband?

The Artist Formerly Known As AC. 

The terminal end of the digestive system. 

The Best CSM Candidate
Petre en Thielles
Doomheim
#159 - 2014-10-07 19:28:28 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Well then perhaps you should let CCP know that singing on voice comms crosses a line - they have condoned, even participated in singing ransoms for years until recently deciding to start banning people for something similar without warning or even explicitly telling them why.


In other words, CCP is starting to realize they made a mistake in the past. Good for them.

If someone is dumb enough to transfer all of their assets to someone, they deserve to lose their ISK. If someone needs to embarrass or poke people until they have a rage fit to have fun, well...they have bigger problems to deal with.

Yet again - scam in game all you want. I personally do it all the time. Just don't bring it out of game.