Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hek no. Just make a BS version of triage (like bastion).

No to carriers and any other combat capable cap ship in high sec.

If some capital class ships get up to some hi-sec faggotry, I.e something requiring concord intervention, then let Concord bring their own capitals to the fight. Let CCP make dreadnaughts appear when carriers are stomping noobs.

I would be ok with Capital Ships in Hi-Sec if:
-They can't deploy any drones or fighters
-Can't activate any remote rep mods on anyone with active pve / pvp timers
-Can't aggress for pve / pvp "as in can't use weapon systems"

-But can activate local defense mods and reps. I don't really care about the ability to gank them regardless of what they might be carrying. (Blockade Runners can already do that for about the same amount of cargo space)

As long as they can't assist or engage in combat, it doesn't make much difference.

Really? Last week I killed two archons with a single moros and sub cap support. They were both faction fitted. Your argument is invalid .

I read a bit more replies to this thread, and I came to the conclusion many people here are speaking without knowing what a carrier can do and cannot do. Let only speak about carriers and not super carriers.

We take the example of a Thanatos, the gallentian carrier, a respected ship in term of overall utility.

His cargo bay is 875m3, other ships like the Marauder Class Kronos have 1250m3, or even a Deep Space Transport like the Occator can have 3900m3. Unless you are moving something incredibly costly and at the same time very small, the thanatos is a poor choice, in terms of isk/trip.

Assuming also you are not afk on autopilot, but warping to 0 every gate, and that ofc you are not at war, both the marauder or the deep space transport can use a micro jump drive instantly after decloaking to get away from any gatecamp waiting on the other side. I wont even go on the align timers, as a capital ship lose by default.

The Fleet Hangar of a thanatos is 10k m3, this space can carry anything and cannot be expanded in anyway. Orca has 40k m3 and deep space transports have a base of 50k. I'm mixed about this comparison, but still I would pick either a deep space transport or an orca over a thanatos.

A thanatos thanks the ship hangar can refit in space, the only two other ship that access the empire space and allow refitting are the Orca and the Nestor. Veritably refitting in high sec space is something only someone running incursions would use, I'm not into incursion so I might have said something wrong, however reading the resources of various incursion fleet they simply state to bring with you a mobile depot to refit when needed.
The Ship Maintence bay is 1.000k, while the Orca one is 400k, this bay can host only assembled fitted ships and their ammunitions, nothing else. In this case I would say the Thanatos is a winner, but it's quite unsurprising, since its role is "Carrier".

Dps wise I don't have a simulation, but reading various example fits I see often 3500-3700 dps, which is more than twice of a Vindicator or Machariel. Should you ban in empire the fighters, the ship dps would fall at around 1k, probably a bit more, and you should consider that its bonus cover only fighters, not other kind of drones.

About EHP a Thanatos can reach around 950k-1mil, while a Tanked Orca can reach at best 400k-450k hp with the new hull rigs.

The only part that would make a carrier quite unbalanced in high sec is the possibility to Capital Remote Repair and Transfer Cap, that even without triage module remains quite significative.

On a dps / ehp point of view, people should consider that in case of high sec war any faction could field a carrier (or a dread by the matter), which is a ship that need to pass via stargate (see gatecamps) and require a certain subcap support.

While changes are scary to some people, this is just another chance of emergent gameplay.

Why all this special stuff? Simply don't allow them in High sec. Easy, transparent and logical.

I'm neither for or against caps in HS as it wont affect me much but this isn't about using caps in HS the reason for this change would be so that you could move capitals through HS to get them to the other side of new Eden since jump drives won't do that.



so there is a now a valid reason for caps in HS however what if any limitations need to be put on them is another matter or perhaps just go the safe rout and have a few caps around HS that you can use

This thread is a tempest in a teacup. Allowing carriers in high-sec would change next to nothing, except that a few entities would have nice shortcuts.

Carriers are not going to obsolete other hauling ships.

Carriers are not going to make station games and high-sec less rigged for you to loose.

Carriers will not be used for running most missions.

Carriers will still be blown up for the exact same reasons they're blown up in low and null.

Dreadnoughts, on the other hand- coupled with the current war mechanics... yes, now they would change things.

Agreed. The only thing that would really change is that highsec POSes won't be as secure if you can put dreads on them, but alternately easier to repair when you can put triage reps on them.