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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Jeami
Doomheim
#1301 - 2011-12-12 18:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeami
Freezehunter wrote:
I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible.

Incarna was NOTHING they promised it would be, years ago.

Instead they added some stupid clothes RMT crap...

We were told that we would be allowed to manufacture clothes and other Incarna related things LIKE WE MAKE SHIPS AND AMMO AND MODULES, not that you would add ******* 70 euro monocles and other bullshit like that, not to mention that the station part was not even added at all.
People want a finished expansion when you launch it, not some crap that is obviously not finished and it feels like a quick cash grab.
Seriously, Incarna felt like one of those **** games Cryptic makes just for a quick buck, you know, STO and CO and **** that goes F2P after less than 6 months like that...

No wonder you lost a **** LOAD of players, most bone headed expansion EVER.


This was CCP Soundwave and Hellmar's decision I believe.

Soundwave never understood WiS or the player economy, player written universe and referred to it as dress-up months before it was even released. Hellmar 's part was the unabashed greed.
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#1302 - 2011-12-12 20:37:24 UTC
Jeami wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible.


This was CCP Soundwave and Hellmar's decision I believe.
Soundwave never understood WiS or the player economy, player written universe and referred to it as dress-up months before it was even released. Hellmar 's part was the unabashed greed.


Soundwave is right tho isn't he. It IS "dress up", dress up to impress.

one word: STANDINGS

There is limited scope to awe other players with your isk acquiring / destroying prowess out in space, indoors - if INCARNA goes the way I think it is headed - you will see the awe in the body language of all around you. That should satisfy the ego of the most narcissistic psychopath amongst us (let's face it EVE is the place where we can fly free).

I don't think many of you have grasped the scope of what is being achieved in this social interaction game. I agree that the ball has been dropped in letting the FiS features stagnate but the WiS features are being built as part of the core of a number of games on different platforms.

It is hard to resist showing off what you have built to-date. It is even harder to get kicked in the teeth by being told what you are working on it crap by your established audience. It takes courage and fortitude to pursue a vision despite setbacks and I believe CCP are wiser and stronger than their current player base.

Although I currently have CQ features switched off at the moment I have nothing but praise for the direction they are headed.

You can only accomplish so much with the resources you have. I don't understand the lay-offs, but I'm not looking at the balance sheets.

In Sootyesq summary; FiSy WiSy let's get busy.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1303 - 2011-12-12 21:47:26 UTC
Snowflake Tem wrote:
Jeami wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible.


This was CCP Soundwave and Hellmar's decision I believe.
Soundwave never understood WiS or the player economy, player written universe and referred to it as dress-up months before it was even released. Hellmar 's part was the unabashed greed.


Soundwave is right tho isn't he. It IS "dress up", dress up to impress.

one word: STANDINGS

There is limited scope to awe other players with your isk acquiring / destroying prowess out in space, indoors - if INCARNA goes the way I think it is headed - you will see the awe in the body language of all around you. That should satisfy the ego of the most narcissistic psychopath amongst us (let's face it EVE is the place where we can fly free).

I don't think many of you have grasped the scope of what is being achieved in this social interaction game. I agree that the ball has been dropped in letting the FiS features stagnate but the WiS features are being built as part of the core of a number of games on different platforms.

It is hard to resist showing off what you have built to-date. It is even harder to get kicked in the teeth by being told what you are working on it crap by your established audience. It takes courage and fortitude to pursue a vision despite setbacks and I believe CCP are wiser and stronger than their current player base.

Although I currently have CQ features switched off at the moment I have nothing but praise for the direction they are headed.

You can only accomplish so much with the resources you have. I don't understand the lay-offs, but I'm not looking at the balance sheets.

In Sootyesq summary; FiSy WiSy let's get busy.



Whats was or is CCP,s vision on this subject?
i know CCP had to do a lot of damage control after Incarna.
At least they could share this vision they had after the Incarna release until the had to shut down WIS in panic mode

R.S.I2014
Freezehunter
#1304 - 2011-12-12 21:52:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Snowflake Tem wrote:
Jeami wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
I was one of those people that wanted the **** out of Incarna, but after they launched it, I was so disappointed that I quit Eve until they launched Crucible.


This was CCP Soundwave and Hellmar's decision I believe.
Soundwave never understood WiS or the player economy, player written universe and referred to it as dress-up months before it was even released. Hellmar 's part was the unabashed greed.


Soundwave is right tho isn't he. It IS "dress up", dress up to impress.

one word: STANDINGS

There is limited scope to awe other players with your isk acquiring / destroying prowess out in space, indoors - if INCARNA goes the way I think it is headed - you will see the awe in the body language of all around you. That should satisfy the ego of the most narcissistic psychopath amongst us (let's face it EVE is the place where we can fly free).

I don't think many of you have grasped the scope of what is being achieved in this social interaction game. I agree that the ball has been dropped in letting the FiS features stagnate but the WiS features are being built as part of the core of a number of games on different platforms.

It is hard to resist showing off what you have built to-date. It is even harder to get kicked in the teeth by being told what you are working on it crap by your established audience. It takes courage and fortitude to pursue a vision despite setbacks and I believe CCP are wiser and stronger than their current player base.

Although I currently have CQ features switched off at the moment I have nothing but praise for the direction they are headed.

You can only accomplish so much with the resources you have. I don't understand the lay-offs, but I'm not looking at the balance sheets.

In Sootyesq summary; FiSy WiSy let's get busy.



Whats was or is CCP,s vision on this subject?
i know CCP had to do a lot of damage control after Incarna.
At least they could share this vision they had after the Incarna release until the had to shut down WIS in panic mode


Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies and bullshit about their incarna *vision* there.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1305 - 2011-12-12 22:05:33 UTC

Quote:
Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there.





I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great .
Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS .
Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive

R.S.I2014
Freezehunter
#1306 - 2011-12-12 22:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

Quote:
Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there.





I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great .
Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS .
Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive


I edited that post 2 seconds after I made it, and I wrote half a page, detailing how CCP broke pretty much every promise they made in all the fanfests up to Incarna's launch, and how it all turned out to be just a 70 euro monocle BS cash grab instead of all the awesome things they promised.

When I clicked post, the whole ******* thing got eaten up by the *we were ganked* crap, so I won't bother writing all that again.
Just take my word for it.

Also, how the **** did Eve's forum become so ****?
I NEVER had these problems on the old forum.
What's with developers and making ******* broken Facebook copies for their forums these days? (Eve gate for Eve and Battlelog for BF 3 being just 2 examples...) They NEVER ******* work properly...

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#1307 - 2011-12-12 22:22:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Issler Dainze
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

Quote:
Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there.





I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great .
Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS .
Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive


The whole point I had with this thread! Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS.

What about it CCP, we want it and want to know your future plans!!

Issler
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1308 - 2011-12-12 22:41:25 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

Quote:
Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there.





I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great .
Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS .
Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive


The whole point I had with this thread! Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS.

What about it CCP, we want it and want to know your future plans!!

Issler


Can you figure if we take the 2,000 Aurum and in the next few months CCP trolls us and removes the whole NEx feature...? What?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Severian Carnifex
#1309 - 2011-12-13 00:04:01 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:

Quote:
Check old Fanfest videos from 2006-2009, you'll see all their lies an bullshit about their incarna *vision* there.





I don,t think they are lies ,and that vision on WIS that time was great .
Incarna had only a single room portion of WIS .
Only 1 thing left for CCP is to tell us if that vision is still alive


The whole point I had with this thread! Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS.

What about it CCP, we want it and want to know your future plans!!

Issler


Can you figure if we take the 2,000 Aurum and in the next few months CCP trolls us and removes the whole NEx feature...? What?



About CSM... **** it...
It don't represents me.
It represents the most of 0,1% of EVE players and their word don't worth a squat.
And it CCP should see that.
CCP MUST DEVELOP AND INTEGRATE WIS INTO EVE!!!

And about 2000 AUR for holidays.
I believe in CCP.
I believe in WiS.
I'll take Aurum.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1310 - 2011-12-13 00:09:56 UTC
Severian Carnifex wrote:
About CSM... **** it...
It don't represents me.

So, you didn't vote?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Flamespar
WarRavens
#1311 - 2011-12-13 02:19:32 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Severian Carnifex wrote:
About CSM... **** it...
It don't represents me.

So, you didn't vote?


Just because you vote doesn't mean you are going to be represented.

The only problem with the CSM is that they get carried away making statements for the 'whole playerbase' when they can only claim to represent their constituents. There's nothing wrong with what they are asking for, only when it's members act like their concerns should be prioritised above everything else.

In any case. Some CSM members do want to see Incarna reach it's potential. They just don't want it to do so at the expense of other parts of EVE.

There are lots of areas of EVE that need work. Just need to prioritise appropriately.
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#1312 - 2011-12-13 02:50:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Crystal Liche
Flamespar wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Severian Carnifex wrote:
About CSM... **** it...
It don't represents me.

So, you didn't vote?


Just because you vote doesn't mean you are going to be represented.

The only problem with the CSM is that they get carried away making statements for the 'whole playerbase' when they can only claim to represent their constituents. There's nothing wrong with what they are asking for, only when it's members act like their concerns should be prioritised above everything else.

In any case. Some CSM members do want to see Incarna reach it's potential. They just don't want it to do so at the expense of other parts of EVE.

There are lots of areas of EVE that need work. Just need to prioritise appropriately.



The problem is not with the CSMs, the problem is CCP seems to have neither a long term vision or the courage of their own convictions.

They seem to blow in the customer wind. The problem with that is customers don't look out 2-5 years, they look at the next content patch, and if in 2-5 years the game sucks, they will just quit and play something else.

In 1 years WiS should be complete
In 2-3 years we should be on planets as well, not just "dust like", but also exploring, arial pew pew and so forth
In 3-5 years we should be walking in and manning multi player ships


If in 5 years, 10 content patches, we have 20 new ships and some other half finished stuff, this game is dead.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1313 - 2011-12-13 02:54:25 UTC
Crystal Liche wrote:


The problem is not with the CSMs, the problem is CCP seems to have neither a long term vision or the courage of their own convictions.

They seem to blow in the customer wind. The problem with that is customers don't look out 2-5 years, they look at the next content patch, and if in 2-5 years the game sucks, they will just quit and play something else.

In 1 years WiS should be complete
In 2-3 years we should be on planets as well, not just "dust like", but also exploring, arial pew pew and so forth
In 3-5 years we should be walking in and manning multi player ships


If in 5 years, 10 content patches, we have 20 new ships and some other half finished stuff, this game is dead.


Yet still offer vastly more game-play and possibilities then anything else. That said. Its not for everyone.
People who perceive life as meaningless waiting for death with time to time "burst of fun", which is mostly managed by them internally and therefore "not-natural" / concrete is natural so i use not-natural loosely / are the one who will stay in EVE, because essentially life in EVE is as meaningless as real life.
Crystal Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#1314 - 2011-12-13 03:19:22 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Crystal Liche wrote:


The problem is not with the CSMs, the problem is CCP seems to have neither a long term vision or the courage of their own convictions.

They seem to blow in the customer wind. The problem with that is customers don't look out 2-5 years, they look at the next content patch, and if in 2-5 years the game sucks, they will just quit and play something else.

In 1 years WiS should be complete
In 2-3 years we should be on planets as well, not just "dust like", but also exploring, arial pew pew and so forth
In 3-5 years we should be walking in and manning multi player ships


If in 5 years, 10 content patches, we have 20 new ships and some other half finished stuff, this game is dead.


Yet still offer vastly more game-play and possibilities then anything else. That said.

... removed bs mental profile....


That is EXACTLY what they said about UO.

EA let their customers talk them out of a new UI Oops
Gabriel Leinhart
The Sojourn
#1315 - 2011-12-13 04:39:07 UTC
I definitively want it, I subbed to the game when I heard about it because I love the idea of it being a full sci-fi simulator not just a space sim
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1316 - 2011-12-13 04:47:56 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS.

It's always nice to see our elected officials doing the right thing.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Avila Cracko
#1317 - 2011-12-13 09:49:01 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS.

It's always nice to see our elected officials doing the right thing.



Yea... they represents you and other five EVE players... Roll
CSM is one big nothing!!!

truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#1318 - 2011-12-13 10:02:21 UTC
Hopefully there is some information on whether or not CCP is still working on WiS soon. I do hope they bring all these nice features they announced years ago. It will make Eve a richer place and attract and bind lots of new players.

Eve Sims - get it on! :D

And forget about 0.0 CSM, sure they wont support WiS, they rather want more 0.0 upgrades to satisfy their greed.
KFenn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1319 - 2011-12-13 10:55:18 UTC
Avila Cracko wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Sadly from the early notes from the recent CSM summit sounds like the CSM supports CCP killing WiS.

It's always nice to see our elected officials doing the right thing.



Yea... they represents you and other five EVE players... Roll
CSM is one big nothing!!!


Yeah, those 5 EVE players that took part in the forum rage, the Jita protests et al. Oh no, wait. That was a few more. Actually come to think of it that was thousands of players, wasn't it. Roll

Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade
Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1320 - 2011-12-13 11:21:26 UTC
I want WiS establishments.
I want to control what I sell to who.
If I sell a Bunch of stuff at Jita prices in Null sec for my alliance mates for War time I don't want Joe space sniping my goods and putting them on with an additional 100% mark up.

It is 20 items. we are not talking a Comodities market like jita, I am talking about a Small store with only 500 visitors not 370k of visitors.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships