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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#21 - 2014-10-03 15:38:51 UTC
Emo people are useless. Kids tend to emo more than adults, but that's not a guarantee to be honest. Don't play EVE with emo's.

Ever. Seriously; stay away from them. Let them die, rage and cry alone.

About undocking during a wardec: I'm all for that. As long as you don't undock stuff you cant afford to lose. It's your ISK, not mine. Just don't die in a jumpfreighter. Or lose a bling bling missionrunnership. That's just stupid.
It also depends on the killboard the corp has and how much it's valued. Some think it's important, others don't care. If they think it's important and its a good killboard, than messing it up is just plain rude.

You will have an opinion about that too, so being in a corp sharing your view about killboards is smart. If you don't care, your CEO and other major influencers don't caring will be more enjoyable. And vice versa.

If you find yourself in a corp that has a doctrine you cant or don't want to fly; leave. But in my opinion, a Celestis or even a T1 logi is fine for a 8 month character.

To sum things up: You stuck in there, got to know EVE, accepted crap while you learned and became a proper player. Decide what you want to do with your EVE sessions and look for corps that claim to share your ideas on matters.

And don't play with emo-people anymore okay?

Welcome to EVE m8
Tiirz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-10-03 17:10:15 UTC
Be thankful you learned more in those eight months than most people who are still clueless after years.

Ditch the trash corp, find something suitable and consider taking those you like with you. The moment someone cries or makes absurd comments about monitoring your API it's time to move on, unless they have valid concerns to do so (access to significant assets, leadership roles and/or diplomatic reasons). Expecting new players to queue specific skills in a HS corp? What a joke.

If you're in some random HS corp people have no business rifling through your wallet, mail or any other activities beyond the basic security checks, and if they try, it's in your best interest to tell them to go **** themselves.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#23 - 2014-10-04 04:29:17 UTC
If I was going to write a list of the stereotypical, ineffective responses to having war declared on you that highsec corps typically do it would read almost exactly like the OP post. As a person who declares war on highsec corps as their primary form of gameplay I feel obligated to respond.

1. Any highsec based corporation or alliance that both has a large playerbase and is not capable of defending itself can expect to be at war a lot of the time simply because they are considered easy prey. If you're easy to kill you can expect people to kill you.

2. The policy of not undocking during wars is very widespread, however it doesn't really work because people undock anyway and because people increasingly often extend wars against people who don't undock for a week because they know those people are a non-threat and because they know the members will either start undocking or start quitting corp.

3. API checks upon recruitment are normal. Funnily though, they are rarely very thorough and constant monitoring of an API that includes market transactions and mail is absolutely not normal.

4. Full time carebear corporations that publicize themselves as such and have neither the means nor intent to defend themselves either don't last long or don't achieve significant membership levels because the second someone like me notices them they either get wardeced or awoxed. PVP is a thing that can and will happen to you regardless of your desire for it to happen.

It looks like you got a really stellar example of a badly led highsec carebear corp with no idea how to respond to entirely normal non-consensual PVP situations in a way that provides content for the members of the corp.

I personally don't understand the "let's all just hide" response, I certainly didn't start playing EVE to hide from people, I signed up to blow up spaceships. Planning and executing the defense of your corporation from an aggressor is a part of the game, it's fun and it provides the members of the corporation with real challenges to overcome which in turn create compelling experiences that bond a group together.

The core group of people I play with now are the same people who I undocked with in T1 ships to go shoot the HACs and Strat cruisers of the people who had declared war on the highsec PVE corp we were in six years ago. A good corp is comprised of people who are willing to take whatever is happening in game and make it into an activity for the corp to participate in, not people who don't log in for a week or sit docked up in station the second something unexpected happens.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-10-04 06:52:38 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
PVP is a thing that can and will happen to you regardless of your desire for it to happen.



Quoting just to make it more clear.




There is NO PvP free zone in EVE. The second you click that undock button, you agree that there is a chance PvP will happen, if you like it or not.

Just because you don't want to PvP doesn't mean other people share that opinion, so it's better to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best every single time you play.

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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#25 - 2014-10-04 09:41:25 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
PVP is a thing that can and will happen to you regardless of your desire for it to happen.



Quoting just to make it more clear.




There is NO PvP free zone in EVE. The second you click that undock button, you agree that there is a chance PvP will happen, if you like it or not.

Just because you don't want to PvP doesn't mean other people share that opinion, so it's better to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best every single time you play.


There are also plenty of PvP oriented groups that also happen to do a lot of industry/missioning/whatever.

Just saying! It doesn't have to be "all or nothing" when it comes to any aspect of EVE.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Trixi Audeles
Into the Dark
#26 - 2014-10-04 11:34:02 UTC
First of all I appreciate all the great advice in this thread and it has given me a lot to think about.

Regarding the "corps should fight back during a wardec" advice. The corps I have belonged to all believed this, and tried to do this. The rule was to not undock unless it is in a warfleet. Maybe I have been unlucky, or the enemies particularly skilled, but our killboards have been a sea of red. The only victory we had when suckering a wardec team to hit a bait miner ship. We hot dropped on them and got two ships. The wardeccers were so mad they basically camped out in the system for 2 weeks and the three times we assembled a group of ships, coordinated a response and undocked to fight them they killed us all. I remember another wardec when some guy named Genghis Kaun could kill anyone basically. His killboard is like 4,000 kills and 40 losses. In the face of expert, hard core superb PvPers with years of skill points and, more importantly, years of training, taking a group of high sec miners out in some PvP fit ships is basically handing ship kills to the deccers. I will agree its a lot more fun to go out and die in a fight than sit in a station, but I am not sure it is going to be a huge deterrent to a professional enemy who lives to do this very thing.

So it sounds like what I need when I do my research is find a corp that meets my PvE needs but that also has a good track record of fighting back during wardecs? Should I look at their wars and see if they had some good kills against the deccers? That might be hard to find because I just checked a bunch and they either had 0/0 kills/killed (which I assume means they docked up) or lots of losses against them.

Thanks all once again for taking so much time to respond and discuss
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#27 - 2014-10-04 12:14:52 UTC
Rammel Kas wrote:


This is pretty much what we do out in Null sec. Instead of mercs we deal with more cohesive and serious blocs like NC. CFC, RUS and PL. As a result the pilots have learnt to co-operate in defense. Much nicer environment.


There is a lot of truth to this. A *lot* of mining, missioning, industry, etc. takes place all the time in null even inside of PVP oriented corporations and alliances.

OP, you have almost limitless options available to you. Try not to box yourself in with assumptions like "Oh, I have to be in hi-sec."

Good hunting!

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-10-04 14:47:42 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
PVP is a thing that can and will happen to you regardless of your desire for it to happen.



Quoting just to make it more clear.




There is NO PvP free zone in EVE. The second you click that undock button, you agree that there is a chance PvP will happen, if you like it or not.

Just because you don't want to PvP doesn't mean other people share that opinion, so it's better to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best every single time you play.


There are also plenty of PvP oriented groups that also happen to do a lot of industry/missioning/whatever.

Just saying! It doesn't have to be "all or nothing" when it comes to any aspect of EVE.


Where did I say it's all or nothing.

I just said that you are never completely safe and that people in the sandbox might have a different way of having fun that can conflict with your gameplay...

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-10-04 14:52:13 UTC
Trixi Audeles wrote:

So it sounds like what I need when I do my research is find a corp that meets my PvE needs but that also has a good track record of fighting back during wardecs? Should I look at their wars and see if they had some good kills against the deccers? That might be hard to find because I just checked a bunch and they either had 0/0 kills/killed (which I assume means they docked up) or lots of losses against them.


A. Forget about killboard stats.

B. War reports show nothing really. A single loss can skew it one way while the rest of the war was going the other way.

C. 0/0 reports can also mean no fights just happened (aggressor was just hoping on easy kills in for instance Jita / aggressor and defender had totally different timezones) but it can also mean that a fight did happen without losses (I was in a war in the past where we went out and fought some WT after they took our bait - in the end both fleet were matched and we weren't able to kill each other or get more back up to tilt the fight in our favor...so we disengaged).

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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#30 - 2014-10-04 15:06:21 UTC
J'Poll wrote:


Where did I say it's all or nothing.

I just said that you are never completely safe and that people in the sandbox might have a different way of having fun that can conflict with your gameplay...


No offense intended. You said nothing of the sort! The OP's comments suggest maybe they have been thinking along the lines of "I need to find a highsec missioning/industry/etc. corp" when in fact there are a lot of corps that might be very good for the OP that are outside hisec and may have a totally different focus.

Just encouraging thinking about lots of options, and hoping the OP has been given some useful suggestions in this thread (I think there have been plenty!)

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Creamdream
Whatever Brah
#31 - 2014-10-05 02:25:51 UTC
What are you? You are acting like a subordinate of an army drill officer. Get a grip, leave that **** corps and never look back.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#32 - 2014-10-05 02:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
It is also important to note that most CEOS and other people in positions of supposed authority in any given highsec corporation most likely didn't do anything whatsoever to earn that position and were appointed to it entirely arbitrarily.

So when those people are saying dumb crap or making decisions that are causing your game experience to be unfun you should question it, preferably in front of your other corpmates. The purpose of leadership is to provide their players with fun, if they are failing to do that and you notice it is your responsibility to call their punk ass out.

Don't tolerate incompetence from people who would call themselves your leader.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#33 - 2014-10-05 03:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
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ISD Alliance
#34 - 2014-10-05 03:40:45 UTC
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Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-10-05 14:24:21 UTC
Hi

Sounds like you are doing great so far.

Yes merc groups flying t3's can be....problematic to mining corps. Whether or not you could of fought back is determined by how many people were in your corp and what they were trained in.

Your CEO sounds like a nutter, you need to move all your stuff some where else and than quick corp.

I would suggest you may also want to recompense your time in that corp and being yelled at and spied upon by borrowing as many corp assets as you can once your stuff is moved out.

I would also suggest that you need not only look at hisec corps as a carear industrialist. There are many Null and some Low Sec corps recruiting, Null itself is very safe depending on the corps you join and your understanding of mechanics.

I wish you good luck sir.
Lady Areola Fappington
#36 - 2014-10-05 15:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Areola Fappington
Sounds like a grade A crap corp to be honest. It's that kind of stupidity that ends up poisoning newbies towards EVE.

Drop em like a bad habit, and find something better. This is a game, there's no need to treat it like a job, as your CEO seems intent to do.


If you're of a wicked mind, like me, take everything you can from the corp before you leave. There's also a wonderful gentleman named Cannibal Kane, you may be interested in contacting. Give him a link to this thread. He's quite good at "fixing" overblown CEOs. We don't call him "The End Boss of Highsec" for nuthin!

Either way, good luck in your hunt for a future better corp.




On second thought, don't quit the corp. Find a way to discreetly contact the guys wardeccing, and see if they wouldn't mind getting a "mole". Make some new friends that way, get revenge on twit CEO, and maybe even have a new corp to join up. Think EVE< Be devious!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#37 - 2014-10-05 15:34:23 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:


On second thought, don't quit the corp. Find a way to discreetly contact the guys wardeccing, and see if they wouldn't mind getting a "mole". Make some new friends that way, get revenge on twit CEO, and maybe even have a new corp to join up. Think EVE< Be devious!


ill offer to contact the merks for you if you like, so nothing shows on the api (which you canceld right....RIGHT )

Or you could set up a trial and do so yourself.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#38 - 2014-10-05 21:28:30 UTC
We have been known to pay newbies outlandish quantities of money to help us kill their bros.
Gumby Taron
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#39 - 2014-10-07 20:27:47 UTC
As other's have said get far far faaaaaar away from this god awful corp and its leadership. Here's my advice. After 8 months you should have a half decent set of basic skills. Now join an established and able corp in lowsec or nullsec or WH with some reputation. Highsec corps with first timer CEO's are honestly the absolute worst part of this game. Get the hell out of highsec and you will enjoy this game ten fold.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-10-18 02:23:39 UTC
like others have said it sounds like the corp / CEO is a bad fit for you. I'd look around for something better. Random war decs on high sec corps are common yes but perma war decs are not. Find a group of people that you get along with and have fun playing with. Don't stick with a corp with a emo rage control freak of a CEO unless you like that kinda thing.

One tip that I can give is that I've noticed that when ever my CEO would post in the recruitment forums we'd get war deced. I think a lot of high sec griefer corps search the forums for mission running and mining corps that don't seem to have any PvP skills. You might be better off talking to people in local chat rather than finding a corp that is advertising that it's looking for new members since that will often draw in griefer decs.

That being said you still can find a good corp that is advertising but they'll have to stop advertising as some point and hopefully the war decs will stop shortly after that. Just make sure the CEO does not plan on permanently being in an active recruiting state.

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