EVE General Discussion

Interesting and fantastic ideas with regards to the currently announced first planned changes to sov nullsec, if people are threatening to quit, call their bluff and let them walk if their that insistant on it, you might loose some but most are all mouth and no trousers as the expression goes.

In regards to something CCP Greyscale responded to in the feedback thread about the long distance travel changes....



You also didn't expect the player base to interact and live in WH space they way they have/did, and you REALLYSHOULD expect CFC, PL and N3 to do this, hell if their moving titans around, all they have to do is use multiple pilots installing jump clones in the clone vats they WILL have fitted, they will then swap their main titan pilot out for a travel alt, have their main titan alt install a jump clone, and then go dock up, then they will jump their titan x number of times (depending on how much jump fatigue their willing to accumulate), have the next alt clone jump to the system their currently in,
warp to the titan, eject the fatigued pilot and jump in with the second travel pilot and their good to go, rince & repeat till they get to the last jump before their destination, jump clone their main titan pilot in and get them into the titan, and make the last jump.
as for supers, when fleets of supers move around, all they will do is similar but with rorquals.

All of this will be done to get around the restrictions you are intending to put into play, THE only way to avoid them just negating the changes you intend is to also put jump fatigue in the form of a jump drive cooldown on the ACTUAL hulls as well, though JFs NEED to be exempt from this.

I can also understand the reasoning for putting jump fatigue on people using jump bridges, but also think that JBs SHOULD be restricted to alliance members only of the alliance that owns the jump bridges, atm sov holding groups can just use JBs as a super highway to safely generaly get from A-B and in the case of fleets roaming their sovs looking for fights,
they can just use this network to get ahead of said roaming fleet to engage them and then as they loose ships/pilots, they can then just use the same JB network to get back into the fight especialy if the exit JB is very close by to where the fight is happening,
the fatigue aliviates this somewhat however doesn't address coalitions being able to pile large numbers into a fight fast and repeatedly, and considering a lot of sov pilots have multiple alts/accounts jump fatigue isn't really going to stop them much.


And till today I'd kept out of things in regards to the "open letter to CCP"
which you can tell was in response to blatantly leaked privilaged information, which is likely was under the CSM NDA, whether this was someone on the CSM leaked it, or someone in CCP let it slip, it's something CCP needs to investigate and decide what they want to do about it.
Though it's not the first time NDAd info has leaked, like the alch changes and the way certain somebodys suddenly went after cobolt moons 2 months before the announced changes, or the fact the same group went after LS moons 2 weeks before anouncement regarding allowing LS moon mining....
(CCP you need to update the NDA to also include that people under it are NOT allowed to make use of said info they gain access to because it's blatantly oblious that the NDA doesn't include a clause like that, it can be argued in the case of the Cobolt moons that the info wasn't disclosed, as someone said "right lets go take these moons, and dont ask me why..." it's still sticking to the LETTER of the NDA but not the spirit)

Now in regards to the self serving, ego filled, desperately trying to keep the status quo "open letter to CCP"
FIRSTLY and this is the important part: EVE ONLINE IS CCPs GAME THAT YOU PAY THEM FOR ACCESSING, IT IS UPTO THEM AS TO HOW THEY RUN IT AND WHAT CHANGES THEY MAKE THAT THEY DEEM NECESSARY TO PRESERVE THE HEALTH OF THE GAME

"NPC 0.0 in Every Sov Region
We believe that regions which contain several unconquerable NPC systems and stations generate platforms for small-scale PVP content and launching points for smaller alliances. We believe that Fountain provides superior gameplay for both sovholders and guerillas than Omist. We wish to see small footprints of NPC 0.0 seeded in every conquerable region which lacks them, from Tenal to Omist."

What you really mean is you saw the plans to change the jump ranges and jump fatigue CCP were debating and want NPC stations where you can cache stockpiles of sub caps and caps, so that you can maintain the status quo and still be able to teleport from one side of the eve map to the other in the matter of seconds, this was NOT proposed to be for everyone elses benefit, this was dressed up to look like it was when really all you were trying to do was maintain yoou space "empires" where as the mechanics changes are intended on breaking up the "stagnant sov null" you all keep whining about (would you like some cheese to go with your whines?)

"Increased Player Density
We believe that vast swathes of conquerable nullsec are essentially worthless to our line members and can only support the activity of a handful of players in each system. We would like to see the value of individual systems increased to support a dense ecosystem of players undocked and interacting within single system."

STRAIGHT FLAT OUT **** OFF

Too long.
Rant.

Of course they will do it ...
... now especially, after "We do not expect this".

Lock for duplicate.

THERE ALREADY IS A THREAD FOR THIS!!!!

Self entitled children.....

I tried man, I did. There's just too much ranting up there to bother caring.

I think this belongs in another thread tho... so IB4L.

Have a nice day.

There are quite a few people like you who believe these changes will bring floods of people into null sec, that there will dozens of small scale skirmishes all over null everyday etc etc etc

Well once the changes have taken affect and the likes of CFC / NC / PL have an even tighter grip on null sec, are making even more isk, deep null becomes a paradise for renters and people who like to rat and run anoms in carriers because the chances of them being hot dropped are practically nil, various entry points into null become a heaven for Capital Gate camps, T2 items sky rocket and you are faced with Fleets of 100's of Baltec Mega's and Alpha Battleships with logi support lets see how much you like the changes then

Why do you think so many people who live in null sec have High/Low Sec Mission Running alts and High Sec Incursion running alts?

Why would it have anything to do with that even the best null sec system even fully upgraded can only support about 25 - 30 max?

You've made it pretty clear that you won't be around to see it. You seem to be fairly active on forum for someone who's leaving.

thought i found a hair in my sandwich.
turned out to be a prince kobol post.

Nope, just surmised that you haven't a clue by what you have ranted



What?



Okay..

First lets forget the amount it costs to fully upgrade system and everything that goes into it.

Lets say for argument sakes a null sec system on average give out 1 billion isk per day in NPC kills.

So 100 mil per day for 10 guys. How long do you think it will take 10 guys to clear out 1 system of every anon and complex in 1 system?

How many people in null sec? How many systems?

As you can plainly see there is nowhere near enough sites in null sec to support its population. Not even close.

Why fly between system after system running crappy sites that have a very low isk per hour ratio always on the look for enemies when you can just have alt running as many mission as you can stand in high sec with little to no risk.

Even better just run Incursions in High Sec with just as little risk but even more isk.

No one is going to answer your crappy survey. No need to pollute multiple threads with it.