Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Math for the unmodified jump fatigue here

So with this math done, it becomes quickly apparent that jump fatigue, as described, is crippling for more than 2 jumps, quickly scaling into timers that take weeks to fully evaporate. So, some methods of reduction should probably be proposed, the Darwinian selection of this forum begun and possible winners polished for CCP's review.

Method 1: New skill - Jump Drive Tolerance

A skill, which reduces jump fatigue accumulation by 5% per level. At lvl 5, this means that 2 jumps at max range cools off in under a day.

Examples at lvl 5:

1 jump
LYs

1. 1.75 min ( forced to 2)
2. 2.5 min (forced to 3)
3. 3.25 min (forced to 4)
4. 4 min (forced to 5)
5. 4.75 min (forced to 6)

2 jumps
LYs

1. 2.76 min
2. 5.62 min
3. 9.51 min
4. 14.4 min
5. 20.3 min

3 jumps
LYs

1. 4.34 min
2. 12.65min
3. 24.29 min
4. 40.96 min
5. 86.81 min

Method 3: Skill for cyno toons - Cynosural field stabilizing

A new skill, requiring cyno 5, which reduces fatigue by 2% per level.

lvl 5 Examples are identical to cyno example above.



Method 5: Implant set

A pirate set, similar to ascendancy set. Current use case is balanced at half the bonus of an ascendancy set, as the power of a full HG set at full ascendancy bonus neuters the change, allowing almost unlimited jumping in the 1-3 LY band without significant worry about running up fatigue. HG set ends up with a reduction of ~ 37.8% fatigue gain, and correspondingly, about a tripling in medium range speed if one has to move as fast as possible, and about a hextuppling of 5 jump speed in 3+ly jumps. While this is my favorite mechanism, it does seem to be too strong as I have currently proposed, although it makes shield capitals (which tend to have +5s or other non-combat implants in slots 1-5) more balanced against armor capitals, as the slave set bonus does extend to capitals.

1 jump
LYs

1. 2 min ( forced to 2)
2. 3 min (forced to 3)
3. 4 min (forced to 4)
4. 5 min (forced to 5)
5. 6 min (forced to 6)

2 jumps
LYs

1. 2.37 min
2. 4.53 min
3. 7.39 min
4. 10.94 min
5. 15.19 min

3 jumps
LYs

1. 3.45 min
2. 9.15 min
3. 17.45 min
4. 29.09 min
5. 56.17 min

Method 7: Modules

This is where I think we start getting into major problems with getting around the changes for little cost. Any carrier gang worth the name should be able to do a refit from travel to combat fit in the final jump before a drop, and as such, any such module would need to be very light on just how much more mobility it grants. As this is the case, I think random drops of these modules, similar to the hyperspatial accelerators and the jump drive fuel mods, with 3 tiers of increasing rarity and power is the right model. Proposed bonus is 10% reduction in fatigue generated for the lowest, scaling to a whopping 12% for the highest, with normal stacking penalties.

3x m4 examples:
1 Jump
LYs

1. 2 min ( forced to 2)
2. 3 min (forced to 3)
3. 4 min (forced to 4)
4. 5 min (forced to 5)
5. 6 min (forced to 6)

2 jumps
LYs

1. 2.6 min
2. 5.27 min
3. 8.82 min
4. 13.27 min
5. 18.63 min

3 jumps
LYs

1. 4.05 min
2. 11.48 min
3. 22.03 min
4. 37.05 min
5. 76.30 min

Well, thats the first batch of ideas I have. will continue to do math if other people have reasonable ideas.

Other tentative ideas, for which math is coming later:

Implant set
Hybrids of the more modest ideas and the math there-in
JDC skill change and an advanced skill to reduce fatigue gains further
Modules
Rigs

...or you can just use gates...

A ball of 200 archons wouldn't have that much fear now.

... Or would they...

OP updated with more ideas.

With almost every major nerf, CCP releases (in short order) the tools to claw, at moderate sacrifice and immoderate expense, the tools to claw back almost to the previous status quo. I am therefore trying to put this up as something for people to start weighing in on which methods are most and least appealing, which methods should die in a fire and which methods are just too powerful.

My point is that making it somewhat able to be averted in combat ships is an interesting mechanic, and the multiplicative nature of jump fatigue keeps the sort of cross galaxy road-trips currently common prohibitive in terms of jump fatigue build up and later stage jump timers.

It's crippling for more than two jumps if you jump as soon as you are able. If you need to move substantial distances (5+ jumps) then you're better off letting fatigue cool down between jumps, which will get you to your destination quicker than jumping as often as you can.

Maybe a skill that unlocks some sort of helpful app in the game? Like a notepad and a calculator, maybe.

If the point of jump fatigue is to reduce the ability to project power, why would CCP then introduce methods of partially restoring said power projection ability?

If I am reading a post on FHC right this is a good thing. If reading right a few power blocks have at least started to turn over rental areas to who ever wants them (and assumable can pay for the deeds as it were, this isn't a charitable event we can safely assume lol).


Basically at first glance the "blobs" are downsizing if only only a little. Think PL was mentioned iirc. So if a crew wants to hit the space they have been turning over to buyers and you want that space....well you aren't taking on PL now. If lucky whoever they turned over to will be a more manageable fight for that sov.

Are you killing goon,PL, etc core systems easily. Probably not. But more tracts of space are looking to open up. This the best you can hope for really. Established crews (like pl and goon) been doing this a few years. They aren't just going to shrivel up and die. They may not pay bills sometimes but they bounce back after lol. That is not changing. Take what you can from this change the take away really.