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Proposal: Rename Nennamaila to Villers
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Lucien Rouen
#41 - 2014-10-02 19:38:13 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
Why change the name when we can just incorporate it? The Federation is a new era for the planet and its inhabitants. Their own name will come to signify that over time. Their name has already changed in meaning and will continue to do so, regardless of what the literal series of letters happen to be.

In honor of taking the entire warzone last month, our pilots have informally started using "Eagle Rise" for Black Rise, and "Valerian Constellation" for the Urpiken Constellation. The first name is to honor the Eagle on our Emblem, and the second to honor the greatest FW pilot of all time, Val Erian.


I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing. The FDU is not the Federation. Should we try to make the Jin-Mei stop using their native terms for their planets? Should the Caldari living in the Federation stop mentioning Cold Wind? No. I support the FDU as much as the next person, but there is no reason for it to turn into its own form of nationalism.
Rui-Shun Lui
#42 - 2014-10-02 22:28:00 UTC
Another callow attempt at political tenue coming, predictably, from the militia.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#43 - 2014-10-02 22:36:44 UTC
Lucien Rouen wrote:
I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing.
There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#44 - 2014-10-03 00:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
X Gallentius wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing.
There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?


Except these are not meaningless labels "created" by the Caldari, it is the name of a countless number of people's homes.

The meaning etched into the hearth and heart of each family living there. It does not matter what language the name originated from or the ethnicity. Like the Eagle to the Gallente, it means so much more than what it originally represents.

You do yourself and whom you represent a great disservice claiming anything otherwise. Your leaders once called Democracy more than a word. That it was an ideal, and so to is a name.

Respect them.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#45 - 2014-10-03 00:09:45 UTC
Vizage wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing.
There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?


Except these are not meaningless labels "created" by the Caldari, it is the name of a countless number of people's homes.

The meaning etched into the hearth and heart of each family living there. It does not matter what language the name originated from or the ethnicity. Like the Eagle to the Gallente, it means so much more than what it originally represents.

You do yourself and whom you represent a great disservice claiming anything otherwise. Your leaders once called Democracy more than a word. That it was an ideal, and so to is a name.

Respect them.
That's your opinion. Let's see some proof. Maybe you can contact some planet bound member from Hykanima and ask him or her to tell us what they think about the name "Urpiken."
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
#46 - 2014-10-03 00:19:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vizage
X Gallentius wrote:
Consider this an editorial or opinion piece - not an official proposal.


I would individually point out "your opinion" in this thread but it doesn't take an elder shaman to see this entire thread is "your opinion" and your attempts to defend it.

You have heard from the capsuleer community. The answer is a resounding no, even from your fellow countrymen.

Take it to the proper legislative body and be done with this nonsense.

If you didn't want to hear the opinions of other capsuleer perhaps you shouldn't post your ideas (read: opinions) on a public capsuleer board.
Zenariae
#47 - 2014-10-03 00:37:03 UTC
Vizage wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing.
There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?


Except these are not meaningless labels "created" by the Caldari, it is the name of a countless number of people's homes.

The meaning etched into the hearth and heart of each family living there. It does not matter what language the name originated from or the ethnicity. Like the Eagle to the Gallente, it means so much more than what it originally represents.

You do yourself and whom you represent a great disservice claiming anything otherwise. Your leaders once called Democracy more than a word. That it was an ideal, and so to is a name.

Respect them.


One person's junk are another's treasures I guess and um isn't that what respect teaches us?
Lucien Rouen
#48 - 2014-10-03 01:51:16 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing.
There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?


So it is not based on any need or rationale, but purely to try to feed the egos of overconfident FDU pilots. Understood.

Grow up.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-10-03 02:28:53 UTC
Remember: The best way to **** off the locals is by trying to change something. This include names. Nobody enjoys having to send address-change notices because occupiers change the name of their system.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#50 - 2014-10-03 02:34:03 UTC
Vizage wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Consider this an editorial or opinion piece - not an official proposal.


I would individually point out "your opinion" in this thread but it doesn't take an elder shaman to see this entire thread is "your opinion" and your attempts to defend it.

You have heard from the capsuleer community. The answer is a resounding no, even from your fellow countrymen.

Take it to the proper legislative body and be done with this nonsense.

If you didn't want to hear the opinions of other capsuleer perhaps you shouldn't post your ideas (read: opinions) on a public capsuleer board.
No, I think a bunch of bitter vocal naysayers have said a resounding "no". Not a big deal to me, tbh. I don't know why you're so bitter about it.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#51 - 2014-10-03 02:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Lucien Rouen wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing.
There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?
So it is not based on any need or rationale, but purely to try to feed the egos of overconfident FDU pilots. Understood. Grow up.
Relax, man. I was just telling you what our pilots are doing. You don't have to agree with it or get all bitter about it.

Seriously guys. You don't have to go ballistic over this stuff just because your opinion is different from mine. If you don't think President Villers was a great person then that's fine. If you think Caldari should be have the final say in naming Federation systems, then good for you.

The official names for Eagle Rise and the Valerian Constellation are still what most people use. We in the Federation Militia simply call them by other names.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#52 - 2014-10-03 06:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
X Gallentius wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Lucien Rouen wrote:
I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing.
There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?
So it is not based on any need or rationale, but purely to try to feed the egos of overconfident FDU pilots. Understood. Grow up.
Relax, man. I was just telling you what our pilots are doing. You don't have to agree with it or get all bitter about it.

Seriously guys. You don't have to go ballistic over this stuff just because your opinion is different from mine. If you don't think President Villers was a great person then that's fine. If you think Caldari should be have the final say in naming Federation systems, then good for you.

The official names for Eagle Rise and the Valerian Constellation are still what most people use. We in the Federation Militia simply call them by other names.


The reason no one here is taking you seriously Xgal -
We all know how good you are at naming things.

Evidence is listed below:


Spaceship Bebop

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#53 - 2014-10-03 06:26:03 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
The reason no one here is taking you seriously Xgal -

But can you really take them seriously?
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#54 - 2014-10-03 07:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
"Eagle Rise"? ...Gods, it's not even truly the tackiness of sticking a hyper-patriotic brand on disputed region that bothers me, so much as the sheer creative bankruptcy. You might as well have called it "Freedom Rise" or "Democracy Is The Best Zone".

...Well, no point in picking at the details, I suppose. This'll probably mostly just be a repeat of what others have said already, but nonetheless...

I'm impressed by your enthusiasm in spiritually attempting to dig the Garoun Empire out of it's grave, but if you'd lay down your shovel for a few moments, I'd like to remind you that the Federation has based it's present success on cultural tolerance and long term assimilation, not Imperialism. If you're serious about integrating Caldari back into it's structure - Both in this instance, and as a pure hypothetical, as part of the Federations idealogical aim of the eventual unification of humanity - You'd be better served by making the Caldari feel that their own culture can survive and thrive as one among equals within the wider Federal community, rather then simply discarding it's edifices because they "don't have meaning to you(r civlization)" before the corpse of their own government is even cold.

And before your rebuttal, 3 years is certainly not "cold" in terms of even individual human life experiences, not to speak of international politics, where cultural identities are frequently known to persist for centuries under foreign rule before fizzling out. If the Empire rolled over Luminaire tomorrow, do you think you'd be entirely comfortable if they renamed the system "Doriam" after less then half a decade? Do you think you'd be entirely comfortable with anything to do with the situation?

The Federations honey has always been in greatest strength. It would be a considerable pity to forsake it and spray vinegar around for the sake of the national ego.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#55 - 2014-10-03 12:14:50 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:

Beyond the fact that changing a system's name doesn't actually do anything except make you look like an idiot (since the residents sure aren't going to give enough of a damn to play along, and nobody else cares), there's no need to run around emulating the Republic by giving two systems incredibly similar names. I suppose, at least, that the two systems would be several jumps apart unlike that nonsense in Evati, but still.


Remember to roll your r's!

Arrrrrnherr

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-10-03 13:02:43 UTC
Vizage wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Consider this an editorial or opinion piece - not an official proposal.


I would individually point out "your opinion" in this thread but it doesn't take an elder shaman to see this entire thread is "your opinion" and your attempts to defend it.

You have heard from the capsuleer community. The answer is a resounding no, even from your fellow countrymen.

Take it to the proper legislative body and be done with this nonsense.

If you didn't want to hear the opinions of other capsuleer perhaps you shouldn't post your ideas (read: opinions) on a public capsuleer board.

That's the problem.

The proper legislative body to rename Nennamaila system would be the Chief Executive Panel. But they would more like detain him instead of listening to him. I feel that was the main reason for him to speaking here.

I can add just one thing: ideas of gallentean criminals won't pass.

Oh, and one more, obligatory thing: Jaijii go home!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#57 - 2014-10-03 14:08:48 UTC
Why not rename the system after Heth? Its mainly Caldari in ethnicity and lost to the Gallante...
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-10-03 14:20:40 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Why not rename the system after Heth? Its mainly Caldari in ethnicity and lost to the Gallante...

Who teaches minmatars history nowadays?
Tribal grannies tell scary stories?

NO. Tibus Heth was the greatest hero of Caldari People. He defeated Gallenteans and returned us our home planet from greedy hands of gallentean occupants. While being Megacorp CEO, Executor and de-facto leader of the whole State, he himself lead ground attack on Caldari Prime against gallentean agressors. He has lost not against Gallente, he has lost to Sansha, and died with honor, like true Caldari officer and Patriot.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-10-03 15:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Diana Kim wrote:
Tibus Heth was the greatest hero of Caldari People. He defeated Gallenteans and returned us our home planet from greedy hands of gallentean occupants. While being Megacorp CEO, Executor and de-facto leader of the whole State, he himself lead ground attack on Caldari Prime against gallentean agressors. He has lost not against Gallente, he has lost to Sansha, and died with honor, like true Caldari officer and Patriot.


You're omitting the part where he went crazy, associated openly with a banned terrorist organisation, rode roughshod over the very Caldari laws and traditions he had sworn to uphold, ordered the Homeworld be destroyed, murdered the woman who refused that order, was declared an enemy of the State, invaded megacorporate territory, abandoned his men after being wounded in a shootout with the Navy, and fled into lowsec.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-10-03 15:27:02 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Tibus Heth was the greatest hero of Caldari People. He defeated Gallenteans and returned us our home planet from greedy hands of gallentean occupants. While being Megacorp CEO, Executor and de-facto leader of the whole State, he himself lead ground attack on Caldari Prime against gallentean agressors. He has lost not against Gallente, he has lost to Sansha, and died with honor, like true Caldari officer and Patriot.


You're omitting the part where he went crazy, associated openly with a banned terrorist organisation, rode roughshod over the very Caldari laws and traditions he had sworn to uphold, ordered the Homeworld be destroyed, murdered the woman who refused that order, was declared an enemy of the State, invaded megacorporate territory, abandoned his men after being wounded in a shootout with the Navy, and fled into lowsec.

Such disrespect to Caldari culture and our heroes...
And that's why you will never be Caldari like us.
Go back to your hiding wormhole, hnolku tyuui.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.