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Solecist Project
#321 - 2014-10-02 07:29:23 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
New players are being punished without them even knowing.

Killing an idea is worse than anything else!



Ah well look at it on the bright side , page 68 and counting on the day the thread is created for the new ''power projection nerf'' off capitals .


Yup , we got such a great community mostly looking out for the newbs and not our own ass .... Blink

People have stopped caring about the issue of the next person.

Minds infected by decadence.
They forget that at one point, they too, will be the next person.

Making things happen together is easy ...
... the hard part is making the "together" happen.



The foreign language channel change did/does not have any impact on me as i rarely visit it andd mostly know it from the days when i was new to eve yet i felt the need to stand up for the newbro as most of them can't stand up for themselves as they haven't even discovered the game yet.When i noticed the lack of posts this thread had gotten i was ''shocked'' and after a few days i could only hope that they made a change that would hugely impact the veteran players as some kind of retaliation to their ignorance.

I got a LOT more then i asked for , that i can assure you.

A lot more? What would that be?
Did I miss anything?

We can do much more, if we keep sticking together ...
... independent of the issue. Want to join in?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Migui X'hyrrn
No More Dramas Only Llamas
#322 - 2014-10-02 10:04:10 UTC
If only they had the decency to come up with numbers or something... Look at CCP Greyscale, the guy was 5 hours straight giving feedback. Here? CCP just kills 33 channels and doesn't give a ****.

Migui is running for CSM10!
Gorr Kedesh
Icing Iced
#323 - 2014-10-02 10:42:52 UTC
Stupid idea.. I dont understand where was the proplem, to create a supported or not central language chatroom?
Now we have serveral player created language rooms with not trustworthy mods.. No mod would be better than this state.
Darkblad
Doomheim
#324 - 2014-10-02 10:47:51 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
flakeys wrote:
hope that they made a change that would hugely impact the veteran players as some kind of retaliation to their ignorance.

I got a LOT more then i asked for , that i can assure you.

A lot more? What would that be?
Did I miss anything?

We can do much more, if we keep sticking together ...
... independent of the issue. Want to join in?
I think he meant that veteran players got a lot more retaliations for their ignorance than he could hope for.
And they did.

NPE – ISD – RIP
flakeys
Doomheim
#325 - 2014-10-02 11:34:01 UTC
Darkblad wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
flakeys wrote:
hope that they made a change that would hugely impact the veteran players as some kind of retaliation to their ignorance.

I got a LOT more then i asked for , that i can assure you.

A lot more? What would that be?
Did I miss anything?

We can do much more, if we keep sticking together ...
... independent of the issue. Want to join in?
I think he meant that veteran players got a lot more retaliations for their ignorance than he could hope for.
And they did.


Yup , spot on .


On a sidenote about us merging together into fluid exchanges .. i dunno solecist , let me think about that for a few years before i can give an answer Lol.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Solecist Project
#326 - 2014-10-02 14:28:32 UTC
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Yup , spot on .


On a sidenote about us merging together into fluid exchanges .. i dunno solecist , let me think about that for a few years before i can give an answer Lol.

And there was me, thinking you can be taken seriously.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Zheng Hucel-Ge
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#327 - 2014-10-02 15:43:03 UTC
Gorr Kedesh wrote:
Stupid idea.. I dont understand where was the proplem, to create a supported or not central language chatroom?
Now we have serveral player created language rooms with not trustworthy mods.. No mod would be better than this state.


Yes, you can see it already. People are trying to promote the channels that they own by getting their friends to talk in them/create some sort of entertainment while just recruiting in all of the other language channels. They might have near the same people in them, but people are slowly trying to drain people away to their channel so that they can have control. If they manage to kill off the other channels by making theirs popular and centralize native speakers to that channel, it would be all to easy to isolate other speakers that they do not like simply by banning them.

If you did this very same thing with mining chat that you have done with the language channels, you can be near guaranteed that anyone coming in asking questions about mining would be in threat of being banned. "Not talking about mining in mining chat" has become a popular meme there. I only really even stick around anymore to answer questions if I see them, because the chat has gone to trash. If random people were able to hand out bans to people they didn't like in that channel, it would be long dead and people wouldn't have that sort of place to come and ask general questions about a specific topic.
Darkblad
Doomheim
#328 - 2014-10-02 16:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Darkblad
Zheng Hucel-Ge wrote:
people are slowly trying to drain people away to their channel
After something similar became apparent for the several german channels that got created ("the other german is fake, come and join ours!"), I proposed a feature to declare war against other chat channels (making owner, moderators and active participants legal targets for the same entities of the other cahnnel) to let the field of war decide who the real german channel is Evil (in the german features & ideas forum section, sorry for the language barrier).
Interesting times ahead.

NPE – ISD – RIP
Zheng Hucel-Ge
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#329 - 2014-10-02 16:18:17 UTC
Darkblad wrote:
Zheng Hucel-Ge wrote:
people are slowly trying to drain people away to their channel
After something similar became apparent for the several german channels that got created ("the other german is fake, come and join ours!"), I proposed a feature to declare war against other chat channels (making owner, moderators and active participants legal targets for the same entities of the other cahnnel) to let the field of war decide who the real german channel is Evil (in the german features & ideas forum section, sorry for the language barrier).
Interesting times ahead.


Those are the exact channels that I am talking about Lol

I like the channel that was first posted in https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=376046&find=unread that thread as it gives a lot of information which is incredibly newb friendly. Though, I do not think a lot of native speakers will think to join "German" over "Deutsch" or "Deutschland/Österreich/die Schweiz" etc etc. It's still better than nothing.
Solecist Project
#330 - 2014-10-02 16:50:02 UTC
Darkblad wrote:
Zheng Hucel-Ge wrote:
people are slowly trying to drain people away to their channel
After something similar became apparent for the several german channels that got created ("the other german is fake, come and join ours!"), I proposed a feature to declare war against other chat channels (making owner, moderators and active participants legal targets for the same entities of the other cahnnel) to let the field of war decide who the real german channel is Evil (in the german features & ideas forum section, sorry for the language barrier).
Interesting times ahead.
Wasn't it obvious for you that this will happen?
No offense intended, but this was completely predictable.

I'm wondering about what you are thinking in these regards.

Did you think you would own the only "legitimate" german channels?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Darkblad
Doomheim
#331 - 2014-10-02 16:57:34 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Darkblad wrote:
Zheng Hucel-Ge wrote:
people are slowly trying to drain people away to their channel
After something similar became apparent for the several german channels that got created ("the other german is fake, come and join ours!"), I proposed a feature to declare war against other chat channels (making owner, moderators and active participants legal targets for the same entities of the other cahnnel) to let the field of war decide who the real german channel is Evil (in the german features & ideas forum section, sorry for the language barrier).
Interesting times ahead.
Wasn't it obvious for you that this will happen?
No offense intended, but this was completely predictable.

I'm wondering about what you are thinking in these regards.

Did you think you would own the only "legitimate" german channels?
I totally expected that to happen. The players themselves will decide what channel their fotm is.

Still sort of like the idea of channels fighting each other, though. Maybe with Dojo's that allow more than two contestants some day. Blink

NPE – ISD – RIP
Solecist Project
#332 - 2014-10-02 18:05:57 UTC
Ewww dojos ... that's weak.
And the idea of being teleported somewhere is totally un-eve.


Anyhow ... I would suggest doing proper meta wars,
because it's pointless to do this ingame.


How do you make people aware of your channel?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Darkblad
Doomheim
#333 - 2014-10-02 18:18:16 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ewww dojos ... that's weak.
And the idea of being teleported somewhere is totally un-eve.


Anyhow ... I would suggest doing proper meta wars,
because it's pointless to do this ingame.


How do you make people aware of your channel?
There might be some ways to create proper meta wars for that. But as I didn't have it open frequently since 2010 - Falcon's announcement just triggered my attention on that matter in general and the German chat especially - others should decide if and how they want to continue the fight(?).

The channel, Is not mine anyway. I just provide a way to join it (German) from my website - when opened with the ingame browser.
Other than that I post a link when another well informed surprised player asks where the hell the German chat has gone.

NPE – ISD – RIP
Solecist Project
#334 - 2014-10-02 18:30:30 UTC
So you basically don't actually try to advertise it at all?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#335 - 2014-10-02 18:41:16 UTC
The methodology for searching or advertising channels is . . .well weak would be the best term

If I cannot manage to get them to reconsider returning the channels then I will push for better tools to manage the channels that are made.

bandaid but better than bleeding

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Darkblad
Doomheim
#336 - 2014-10-02 18:43:11 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
So you basically don't actually try to advertise it at all?
Depends on how you understand advertise in that context.
One of the chat channels I'm active in, where people might ask the question I've mentioned above, is German Help. A chat that's still available from the channel list even for those that lack any kind of player created channels in there. Like rookies or veterans returning after a hiatus, wondering about the missing German in that list. With those occasions covered and "passive advertising" on my website, that's enough I guess.

And right now, there are 122 characters in German. Some of them also will spread the word.

NPE – ISD – RIP
Solecist Project
#337 - 2014-10-02 19:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Okay, so no advertising.

Sorry to tell you, but "passive advertising" does not exist and when you write this,
you make me want to yell at you for being a clueless noob.

You're not advertising at all. Don't come at me with "that's your opinion",
because it's not. It's a fact of the matter. What you're describing that you're doing
isn't really advertising. You mention it. Woohoo. Calling that advertising is an insult to my brain.


Mate, if you wanna go to war ... you have to fight too.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#338 - 2014-10-02 19:19:08 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
The methodology for searching or advertising channels is . . .well weak would be the best term

If I cannot manage to get them to reconsider returning the channels then I will push for better tools to manage the channels that are made.

bandaid but better than bleeding

m


The only question a noob should NOT ask is "where do I get help?"

CCP just made that question about as easy to answer as "which player organization do I join?", which is no little accomplishment when we're talking about a Day One question: Noobs have issues with the tutorials because those tutorials are not in their language.

And CCP just told them to get lost as CCP can't be arsed to provide official language channels to ease the learning cliff of those noobs. Roll
Darkblad
Doomheim
#339 - 2014-10-02 19:24:47 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Okay, so no advertising.

Sorry to tell you, but "passive advertising" does not exist and when you write this,
you make me want to yell at you for being a clueless noob.

You're not advertising at all. Don't come at me with "that's your opinion",
because it's not. It's a fact of the matter. What you're describing that you're doing
isn't really advertising. You mention it. Woohoo. Calling that advertising is an insult to my brain.


Mate, if you wanna go to war ... you have to fight too.
I saw that coming ...
Don't waste your time telling others what to do, advertise yourself.

NPE – ISD – RIP
Naburi NasNaburi
Doomheim
#340 - 2014-10-02 19:49:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Naburi NasNaburi
Solecist Project wrote:
Okay, so no advertising.

Sorry to tell you, but "passive advertising" does not exist and when you write this,
you make me want to yell at you for being a clueless noob.




Sol .. your bashing is getting old.. and boring. Since you stepped back from ganking.. youve developed a bad habit of telling everyone how awesome you think you are.. while telling them how weak and n00b you think they are.

What comes around goes around.. you know?