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Proposal: Rename Nennamaila to Villers

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#21 - 2014-09-29 14:30:23 UTC
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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-09-29 15:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Part of the problem here is that you seem to think we're fascists. We're not. The word has a correct technical meaning, it's not just a catch-all insult aimed at whole societies.

Fascism, you see, hinges on a unified national state which wields immense power, which is the precise opposite of the Caldari corporate-meritocratic system. In the State (with an upper-case S) the state (with a small s) is weak and has only a few limited powers and sharply limited legal authority over the autonomous action of the State's (with an upper-case S) constituent corporations. So the State (big S) is not so much a state (small s) as it is a treaty organisation. It's a little bit mis-named, really. Not to mention confusing in conversations such as this.

In case you hadn't noticed, our recent flirtation with ACTUAL fascism, where a political faction sought to unify and mobilize our people under a strong and central (small s) state actually ended with the fascists in question being declared enemies of the State (both in the big S and the small s sense) and driven out.

So, no, Nennamaila was not, quote: "liberated from the fascists of the Caldari State" because: A: we're not fascists and B: because it's not "liberation" if we were the first ones to colonise that system. You can't liberate settlers from a government by which they consent to be governed, by imposing a government by which they do NOT consent to be governed. The very idea is contradictory and farcical.

Liberation would require occupation and there was no prior indigenous settlement in Nennamaila (that I know of) for us to occupy. Technically, the Gallente are the occupiers and the system will only become "liberated" once it's back in Caldari hands. Which, in a game of indefinite duration with no apparent victory conditions, is inevitable.

Now if you want to wholesale own that place, fine. We'll sell it to you for a fair price. You want to name it after a famous Intaki, go for it. You can call your property whatever you want, once it is your property. But until a treaty is ratified ceding it to the Federation, Black Rise belongs to the Caldari, and to hell with any CONCORD act or starship GUI that says otherwise.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#23 - 2014-09-29 15:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Not to rain on your parade, but wouldn't renaming the system just give them added incentive to try and take it back? You'd just be giving them the opportunity to shoot for a major morale boost...

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-09-30 05:45:57 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Part of the problem here is that you seem to think we're fascists. We're not. The word has a correct technical meaning, it's not just a catch-all insult aimed at whole societies.

Mr. Stitcher, I believe he thinks so about CALDARI, about those, who are fighting and dedicating their lives to free these systems including Nennamaila from gallentean oppression.
Not about fake Caldari like you and other traitors, dissidents and outcasts, who are hiding in wormholes, and can only flap their tongues instead of actually being Caldari and fighting for the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-09-30 11:29:41 UTC
So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#26 - 2014-09-30 12:38:53 UTC
Surprise, surprise.

It's a dumb proposal and really not all that great of a name suggestion anyway.

Beyond the fact that changing a system's name doesn't actually do anything except make you look like an idiot (since the residents sure aren't going to give enough of a damn to play along, and nobody else cares), there's no need to run around emulating the Republic by giving two systems incredibly similar names. I suppose, at least, that the two systems would be several jumps apart unlike that nonsense in Evati, but still.

If you're going to go running around proclaiming to be some sort of beacon of goodness, you're supposed to set the example, not follow bad ones like a fool.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Wendrika Hydreiga
#27 - 2014-09-30 14:04:08 UTC
Aww... So no system renaming? Bummer.

How can I watch history being made if things stay the same? No fair!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-09-30 15:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Stitcher wrote:
So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted.

Yet I never said he was RIGHT.

Besides, if he wanted to insult anyone with word 'fascist', he insulted only himself, since through the history, it was the Gallente Federation, that was using fascist government system.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#29 - 2014-09-30 22:30:33 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted.

Yet I never said he was RIGHT.

Besides, if he wanted to insult anyone with word 'fascist', he insulted only himself, since through the history, it was the Gallente Federation, that was using fascist government system.

F**k the government.... All of them, for that matter.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#30 - 2014-09-30 22:35:41 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
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Haters gonna hate.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#31 - 2014-10-01 01:53:56 UTC
Maybe they would hate it less if we put the new name up to the highest bidder?
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-10-01 01:59:22 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted.

Yet I never said he was RIGHT.


Hence: "tacitly".

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2014-10-01 02:04:58 UTC
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Aww... So no system renaming? Bummer.

How can I watch history being made if things stay the same? No fair!


And start a bureaucratic clusterfuck? Have you any idea just how much paperwork has to be passed around just to change the surname of a singular individual? Now apply that to a whole system.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-10-01 13:41:36 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted.

Yet I never said he was RIGHT.


Hence: "tacitly".

Tacitly only for you, since you aren't acting in the interests of the State and Caldari people anyway.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-10-01 18:40:15 UTC
That assertion will not magically become accurate just because you keep repeating it, you know.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-10-01 19:37:09 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
That assertion will not magically become accurate just because you keep repeating it, you know.

I would better say it won't stop being accurate, unless you will start fighting in the interests of the State.
But taking into account your demeanor towards greatest Caldari hero, Caldari lives and fate of our citizens, I don't see this happening in the foreseeable future.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Wendrika Hydreiga
#37 - 2014-10-01 19:44:47 UTC
I thought Mister Stitcher was in cahoots with those Sansha meanies. Doesn't that kinda invalidate whatever nice things he says about the State?
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-10-01 23:34:06 UTC
You know, if the toasters had a sense of humour they'd be laughing at that idea. I couldn't be less in cahoots with the Sansha if I tried. And believe me, I'm trying.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Lucien Rouen
#39 - 2014-10-02 18:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucien Rouen
Why change the name when we can just incorporate it? The Federation is a new era for the planet and its inhabitants. Their own name will come to signify that over time. Their name has already changed in meaning and will continue to do so, regardless of what the literal series of letters happen to be.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#40 - 2014-10-02 19:13:14 UTC
Lucien Rouen wrote:
Why change the name when we can just incorporate it? The Federation is a new era for the planet and its inhabitants. Their own name will come to signify that over time. Their name has already changed in meaning and will continue to do so, regardless of what the literal series of letters happen to be.

In honor of taking the entire warzone last month, our pilots have informally started using "Eagle Rise" for Black Rise, and "Valerian Constellation" for the Urpiken Constellation. The first name is to honor the Eagle on our Emblem, and the second to honor the greatest FW pilot of all time, Val Erian.