EVE General Discussion

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.

5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

When I'm hauling on my alt, I'm always secretly hoping that my Impel will face its greatest challenge on the next gate. It's kinda exciting. It never happens though

This is a game, and barring a few exceptions relating to rookies, you are allowed to attack other players in this PvP game. As long as the attacks are legitimate in-game attacks, then, it is a fair thing to do!

With so many possible reasons behind a suicide gank, the act of the gank itself is not enough to determine the reason. It would be irrational to assign a reason without more background knowledge.

Many players in this thread like to talk about provocation. If you think that merely being attacked is enough provocation to respond with unreasonable RL threats then you should reconsider whether you are in the proper mental state to be playing a PvP game.



Remember, this is a game, which is supposed to be something you do in spare time, for fun. If you are taking a game so seriously that you think RL threats are justified, then you are clearly doing it wrong.

I do a bit of high sec mining and like that it isn't completely safe. It makes me think about what type of ship to use and how to fit it, to balance tank versus efficiency. If I feel very safe over time, maybe I tinker with my set-up. It's just a cost/benefit analysis.

Heck, maybe I'll set up a high sec miner ganker alt soon. For a careful miner, it is to my benefit to see high productive/bad tanked miners get vaporized.

That's a valid "income" reason if you mine - you influence ore value by trying to choke off supply by competitors.

Going back to your original question the first couple of replies seem the best as alot of the others have drifted off-topic.

For me it was never about cost vs. benefit although it makes sense to go for a higher value target when you have a choice.

Some people just have alot of isk to burn. Back in the days of Hulkageddon when i was -10 both myself and some corp mates would buy 100 thrashers and fittings at a time and Red Frog them to a staging system then hand them out fitted to anyone who wanted them.

Not that I can tell, no. I have been hearing more and more testimonials lately from "bad guys" in this game who say that CCP specifically does NOT act on real life threats. And besides that I have my own experience with such a thing, in which CCP did nothing.




No action taken in a videogame can "provoke" someone into committing a violation of the terms of service, or real life stalking.

The fact that you seem to think that an action taken in a videogame justifies real life crimes and death threats tells me a lot. Not the least of which is that you are a despicable scumbag who should be chased out of this game for the sake of decent people everywhere.

Look at the underlined. Look at how it's an attack on real people. Read the rest of your post. Look up irony in the dictionary but get upset when we laugh at you anyway for your laughable hypocrisy.

Mr Epeen

"Carebears" has a fairly defined group of players. When you attach "scum" and "dirt-for-brains" around it, you're watering down your point (which was a good point, BTW). Ease off the name-calling, and I'm sure our ISD folks will let us continue this very interesting discussion.

Cheers.

As for ganking in general, CCP has an anti-harassment policy. It even states in EvE help "If you need additional help regarding gameplay issues, are being harassed by another player, ...."

Is ganking harassment?

Short answer is no. Ganking is not harassment.

However, griefing is.

Is ganking griefing?

Short answer is maybe.

It depends on the purpose. So if we go back to the OP wrt income number 3 and 4, they should not be included on the list. If you suicide gank others for the satisfaction of pissing them off and/or ruining their game experience by forcing them into a situation they don't want to be in, then you fall into the realm of griefing.

The problem is, how does CCP know your personal intent? They can't (unless you openly admit it on the forum).

I see ganking as a side effect resulting from an inadequate system within hi-sec space. It's the fact that the current system can be gamed to produce a perfectly safe gaming experience if it were not for ganking.

The solution would be that the default npc corp be a fw npc corp. That would certainly have an impact on gankers. They would no longer have to suicide gank. Instead they would be part of the fw npc corp (or even a player corp enlisted in fw) and would roam enemy hi-sec systems in search of WTs.

As for the market impact, the current ganking system in place is not beneficial but rather harmful. It will create a disproportional inflation within the market for the ships and modules involved. Even with inflated prices, this isn't a big deal for the vets with the large incomes but it hurts the new players with small incomes. Especially since often the ship used to gank are T1 fitting to maximize dps. Many of the same ships and modules used by players running L2, L3 missions. Many of the same used by FW players. Many of the same used by those who would run combat sites in hi-sec.

The group it doesn't hurt are the null sec groups since often times the target is a T2 ship, probably fit with T2 modules. This will increase the demand on moon goo which means higher costs in the construction of all T2 ships and modules.

At least if the current ganking system was replaced with a "default npc corp at war" system, we would see the destruction of a wider variety of ships and modules. You spread the inflation effect across a wider market base and each item will see less inflation individually.

Then there is the fact that new players join the game in hi-sec with its current system. They get used to it. It becomes the devil they know. As the saying goes, 'it's better to stick with the devil you know than the devil you don't'. Such a change to hi-sec would be a shock, but that new system will become the known devil to new players.

Edit: Just wanted to add something in light of a post just a couple up.

Excessive showboating in sports can lead to penalties.

First of all, if you shouldn't even be feeling good blowing someone up in a ship that is incapable of fighting back. Second, if you are feeling good for scoring a kill, great, but you don't need to be rubbing it in the other person's face. Hell, that is considered an act post with the intention of inciting a negative emotional response. AKA trolling.

I'm assuming you're referring to the large drop in sec status for popping a pod. It really isn't a bad price to pay at all. Indeed, negative sec status does become a bit of a nuisance. It can be worked around, though. Provided you are fast and accurate enough. If it becomes too bothersome, you can always farm rat tags and turn them in at a CONCORD station. It's a bit of a grind, but it's a good way to pass the time if your targets have become particularly mindful of your presence. When they start hiding from you, disappear into lowsec for a while to collect tags. Turn the tags in for sec status increase, then go back to your hunting grounds. By that time, your targets will be nice and complacent again. Might even have a few new faces eager to meet their demise. :)