Jita Park Speakers Corner

Just a few overall impressions of the summit: "Jesus is dead"

Those minutes shoulbe out by January, 2013. No promises though!

Fixing broken stuff, polishing systems and mechanics, no more neglecting. That's the vibe I get from this. Sounds like what many have been wanting for years.

Any chance of hassling for a devblog on CCP's future approach to developing Eve? You've done a decent job of setting out what you were told, but I think we'd be reassured hearing it direct from a senior CCP guy to be certain we're getting the correct message first-hand and that nothing is getting lost in translation.

Crucible's approach of fixing a 'thousand little things' was welcome, but I do worry that it was a bit of a sawn-off shotgun with fixes hitting various different parts of the game almost at random. Great as a one-off, but if this is the template for future development there's a risk that we won't see a focused effort on particular sectors of Eve that need attention. I don't think anyone would mind a more concentrated effort to use a single expansion for, say, completely overhauling industry (like we were initially supposed to get in Quantum Rise), or revamping lowsec, or going on a huge ship balancing frenzy.

The secret shame of the whole "fixing stuff" vs "new stuff" debate is that so often the best way to fix stuff is to add new content. How do you fix unkillable lowsec motherships? Hictors. In theory, factional warfare should have done this for pvp newbies and Incarna sort of managed it with the new player experience(or so I hear) as well.

Some problems are also opportunities to wipe the slate clean and do a new, non-idiotic take on the problem. POSes seem the most obvious example - when they finally nuke those pieces of crap from orbit, the new system for doing the same basic things will hopefully be easier to use, more functional, more fun, and have a lot of interesting new possibilities for us to play with. PI is open to a similar solution - now that the customs offices have owners, you've got the groundwork in place to transition it to a system where planets have owners, which allows you to have PI that's based on cities and factories, not pins and hotspots. It's a fix, but it's also new content. And if they take that sort of approach to the cases where the current gameplay is completely broken, I expect a lot of people will be very happy with it.

Transport Tycoon in space :squee:

Fair comment, but consider that whenever you imitate the old woman who swallowed a fly, eventually you end up swallowing something so big that you choke. For instance, you are correct that HICs were a good counter to lo-sec motherships (how well I remember the tears), but with them also came some unintended side-effects - like low-sec gate camps with quad-RSB'd HICs instalocking with infipoints, which considerably changed the balance of risk of travelling in lo-sec. The root cause of the whole problem was introducing supercaps "because of awesome!" in the first place.

So yes, by all means introduce new stuff to fill gaps and extend gameplay - but carefully carefully and never just "because of awesome!"

Of course.

I disagree, at least in hisec. Worst case I'll just setup the autopilot and watch a movie for a few hours. A properly implemented Sim City + OpenTTD in space with proper cargo destinations and cooperation with other cities, however... that **** would suck the lifeblood out of me.

But I think it would be wise for people to understand that it'll likely still be a bit of haggling between the CSM6 and CCP.

And that both sides might have a bit of both post patch and post csm meeting lag.

Not to mention an upcoming holiday.

If you get the minutes out before christmas than I'll salute both sides for a job very well done.