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I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null or lowsec
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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2011-12-12 18:20:41 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Clearly my tread has been derailed, i do indeed know the main null routes are camp by people that shoot everything, this thread is for the OP and not why or how Nuller do there thing.


Not all the routes to null are camped...
And once you get a clone there its a relatively simple affair to bring in about 300k m3 of stuff from Jita to keep you well supplied.
Barakkus
#242 - 2011-12-12 18:37:24 UTC
Lord Ryan wrote:
Rykuss wrote:
Lord Ryan wrote:
depending on Centurylink as your ISP


Yeah. Lol



I switched to WOW cable a couple months ago. Faster connection, drops only last a second. Centurylink hours to days. On the other hands I have been getting DCed 3 or 4 times and hour for the last couple weeks. I don't know if it's Eve or WOW but I can log back in immediately. Not a problem in most PVE situations, a major killer in PVP.


If you're referring to Wide Open West as your ISP, it's WOW!, not EVE. Wide Open West (now called WOW!) has had horrible cable service forever, and they have generally been behind the curve in speeds forever. They just caught up to the lower end most major cable companies and still don't service but maybe 1/100th area most major cable providers service.

Make sure your modem is Docsis 3, if it's not you're going to have a lot of issues.

http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc
Myrdraeus Keaunt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#243 - 2011-12-12 18:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Myrdraeus Keaunt
Kaylyis wrote:

Need more skills trained. need to get jump clone skills to make it worth not losing all the cybernetics. Need friends who know how to play the game out there.


Join a nullsec corp that can teach you the ropes then! There are a lot of nullsec corps that hire pubbies blind. You're probably not going to get into one that watches the forums now--the whole whining about "unsurvivable gate camps" thing is a fairly large black mark--but you could work up some cred in one of the renter corps until people forget.

If you don't want to, fine...but lack of friends is a choice, not a game mechanic.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#244 - 2011-12-13 01:06:32 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:
[...] Useless interviews in fake internets pubbie press and so on. [...]


Stopped reading, right here.

So fake internets non-pubbie press is somehow more legitimate, eh, TEST/Goon-alt?

Go back to your RMT/bot-farming, you sanctimonious little girl, your owners need you...Roll



You look angry, and so wrong, you gave me a good smile irl mostly because of all that importance you give to those internets pubbie press and useless stuff alike.
Get a life on your own, pay your bills and come back when you grow in a few years.

But you can keep blah blah about your ubber press ;D


Oh, for...Roll

Way to completely...not comprehend what you read in the slightest!

That type of myopic fail--is this something you practise?

Oh, and EN24 is your ilk's propaganda-organ, not mine--I read it only for what it's worth: Low-brow entertainment, when I can't remember any fart/poop/dead-baby jokes.

Back to your bots! Move, move, move!

Ni.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2011-12-13 01:17:05 UTC
Whose mouthpiece did you say EN24 was, again?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Gorefacer
4S Corporation
The Initiative.
#246 - 2011-12-13 01:37:01 UTC
Jack bubu wrote:
Cregg Neir wrote:
Question to OP: Why do you need other people to play the same way you do? Why do you need other people to tell you why they play the game their way?

maybe hes just curious?


Burn him!
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#247 - 2011-12-13 01:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Why is it you play EvE if you take no larger roll in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets.

Is there something you do with this isk?

For the same exact reasons PVPers PVP. Just as amassing kills on a killboard is the thrill to some, amassing riches and isk is the thrill to others. I'd say that building up riches is the end goal for many players. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Sure, some will hate them. Some will envy them. Some will rage, throw tantrums, and insult these players. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with amassing isk for the sole purpose of amassing isk if that's what tickles you.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#248 - 2011-12-13 01:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Crumplecorn wrote:
It's like, it's nice to be outside right (so I'm told lol)? Outside is nice. So people go outside a lot. But they don't just stand there and stare at a tree for six hours and then go home. They do things. But, in EVE, some people do just stand and stare at the tree.

Funny that. Some people do happen to go outside and stare at trees. They'll sit in a park for hours and just stare. Sometimes I go to the beach, won't go in the water and will just sit there, simply enjoying the view and breeze. Does that bother you? Why is it you think that when someone goes outside they have to do what you think it is they have to do? But more to the point, why is it you think that people need to have a conventional goal to play this game?

Edit: Nevermind. Didn't take long for you to spew your usual haterade against carebears Bear:

Crumplecorn wrote:
Carebears always think that reality is defined by what they think it is. They think this about EVE and about other people.

It's like they are all solipsists or something.

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Janus Nightmare
Exploding Kitties
#249 - 2011-12-13 02:59:17 UTC
I'll bite and answer the question.

As someone who both mines and runs missions, is in a (usually) solo corporation, and until recently rarely interacted with many others, the answer is simple. It's an entertaining way to pass the time.

I'm not a fan of very many TV shows, I like to play games, and I can mine or run missions while doing other things, such as reading forums or watching a movie or working from home.

I have no particular goals in Eve, it's just something to do.

Besides, if I get a bug in my ass and decide I actually do want to do something, well, I've got the isk and can actually do it. That's the nice thing about Eve. It's a sandbox where people can do pretty much whatever they want. There will always be people who ***** because some people like me don't play the game their way, but you know, CCP still gets there money every month so that everyone can keep playing however they want, so my question is, why does anybody else care how I play the game?
Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#250 - 2011-12-13 03:40:34 UTC
Captain Alcatraz wrote:
Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave


Why would they when it is a virtual cave that opens to a virtual reality they don't like?

Field of Trolls:  "If you chum it, they will come."
Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#251 - 2011-12-13 03:46:03 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
stuff


Why on earth do you care?

Field of Trolls:  "If you chum it, they will come."
Mirima Thurander
#252 - 2011-12-13 04:11:39 UTC
Nullbeard Rager wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
stuff


Why on earth do you care?



Because 13 pages of answers is not enough information, and this thread so far has been been more civilized than must i have seen in the past 6 months

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Eyup Mi'duck
Doomheim
#253 - 2011-12-13 09:57:31 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
I have a question ...

Why is it you play EvE if you take no larger roll in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets.

Is there something you do with this isk?



Simple: I enjoy not taking a larger role in the game. I like being a free-running maverick, doing my own stuff when and how I want to. I log-in when I want, with whichever character I fancy, chat with my corpies if they happen to be online too, maybe do some stuff together.

The isk? Well, I grow my pile. Fly anything I want, fitted with whatever I want. A jumpclone in every empire faction, each with a full fleet of top-end ships fitted with sexy mods. I can now solo all level 4's with shields steady above 95%, for example. And my main is close to getting a standing of 10.0 with all four empire navies.

I will never 'own' EVE in the megablob alliance sense, so I set myself realistic personal goals and chew my way towards those.

Each to his own, I guess. Blink

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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#254 - 2011-12-13 10:42:08 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
It's like, it's nice to be outside right (so I'm told lol)? Outside is nice. So people go outside a lot. But they don't just stand there and stare at a tree for six hours and then go home. They do things. But, in EVE, some people do just stand and stare at the tree.

Funny that. Some people do happen to go outside and stare at trees.
Emphasis on 'some'. A minority about which the same questions could be asked.

MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Edit: Nevermind. Didn't take long for you to spew your usual haterade against carebears Bear:
If you think a simple observation is 'hate', things must have gotten very soft around here while I was gone.

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Mussaschi
No Wise Guy's
#255 - 2011-12-13 11:30:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Mussaschi
Not perfect to answer this, since I love 0.0 and wh ninja exploration, but I do a lot of high sector too.

Here are my main motivations to do high sector:

a) Collector:
- I want any sub capital ship in eve as a nice faction fit
- I want all freely available bpo in eve as 100/100
- I want a 8.0 corp standing with every npc corp in eve ;)

b) Number junkie:
- I want to do any mission done as fast as possible (meaning I optimize ships and fittings a lot to make a perfect run). (ps I would love to have a statistic in eve here ;)
- I want to know every little piece of eve, every aspect, every profession, every mission, every plex (cosmos, fw or exploration) or expedition

c) I don't like waiting. Every time you do some group jobs it basically means waiting a lot for all people being ready. No fun

d) RL. 0.0 and blob warfare really suck, if you have to leave right in the middle and don't have more than 20min anyhow.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#256 - 2011-12-13 11:42:05 UTC
Mussaschi wrote:
d) RL. 0.0 and blob warfare really suck, if you have to leave right in the middle and don't have more than 20min anyhow.

There's tons of things which can be done in 0.0 which doesn't require 5+ hours of dedication pr day, it's not all 0.0 == blob warfare all day erry day, but there's no denying that 0.0 is something which commonly does require more work.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#257 - 2011-12-13 12:18:07 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
It's like, it's nice to be outside right (so I'm told lol)? Outside is nice. So people go outside a lot. But they don't just stand there and stare at a tree for six hours and then go home. They do things. But, in EVE, some people do just stand and stare at the tree.

Funny that. Some people do happen to go outside and stare at trees.
Emphasis on 'some'. A minority about which the same questions could be asked.

And again I will ask you; does that bother you?

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#258 - 2011-12-13 12:39:22 UTC
1 word: SANDBOX.

This means any player can play EVE the way THEY like it.
Some like null-sec, others like Incursions. Hell, I even have an alliance member who didn't undock his ship in about 8 months. All he does is chat, train, spin his ship, play on market and gives advice to people. If he wants to do that, he CAN, that's what makes EVE fun for every sub.

True, I'm also fascinated what makes people to stay in Empire. Especially the true mission runners, after 1 week of mission running myself I got bored about the whole concept. There are only a handfull of missions (though name and rats vary) and it usually goes like this: Undock - Fly to mission pocket - Shoot any red crosses on your overview - Return to station - (optional: take the noctis to salvage the white triangles on your overview) - Turn in mission.

So I wonder, what is it that keeps those mission runners going. On incursions, never done them, so no clue about what drives those people. Hear the rewards are great, but then in the end, when you have the ultimate ship + fit, what else is there to gain from the Incursions beside loads of ISK and LP and the gratification you just shot a couple of Sansha's home again. (No offence to both mission runner and incursion runners here btw, like I said EVE is just a out-of-space version of the Sahara dessert, so people can do what they want).

I do agree that more people should TRY low-sec and null-sec but am totally against forcing people there or complaining that people like to stay in Empire. When I started my character I said I wouldn't leave empire ever, then some people said I should at least try null-sec. Now I'm sold and never want to leave null though I also like to spent some small times in the safety of high-sec from time to time.

Conclusion, good idea of the OP. Though not the way he started the post.

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Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#259 - 2011-12-13 14:24:07 UTC
I am one of these players the OP is referring to. The game for me is solo, it may not have been designed this way, but actually most of the game lends itself well to solo play except ironically PVP.

So I spend my time mining, building, trading, hauling, mission running and exploring.

I have lived in lo and hi sec but from my view the game is hi-sec - anyone who goes to null is only going to farm ISK - what else i s actually there in null?? To play the actual game it's lo and hi - simple.

The reason I don't join a corp - because I will not take orders, I will not wear a headset and talk to the screen., show me a corp of like minded players - equals - and I will join.

Most of all EVE is a solo game, say what you like, it is solo and I'm just waiting for CCP to realize this and let us have safe space, PVP arena tournaments, the ability to walk around in stations, and to build bars and space-stations.

For the game to grow this is the future - not null.

Ask yourselves why the subscriber numbers are so low for a game as complex and beautiful as eve.
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#260 - 2011-12-13 14:57:55 UTC
Pedant in Chief here...if any corp the OP is in is offering rolls, I'll have a cheese and onion one please.

I suspect he meant 'roles'"?

H