Missions & Complexes

My fit has no implants, I don't bother putting those on fits as they aren't as flexible as ship fits, so I let people add them to their own values. It doesn't change the comparison at all. It also uses standard ammo because shooting ammo 10 times the value for the gain you get is never worth it, ever. Even ignoring docking, talking to the agent, undocking and travelling to the missions, it still isn't worth it.

And no you cannot use 4 sentries on a mach and expect it to perform as efficiently, that's just more shameless EFT warrioring. You'll lose sentries due to triggers because you are flying around and you also have to go back to pick them up when you are done. All of this is wasted time, making sentries not worth it. That's why they are not in the build. EFT warrioring and looking at things in a vacuum is not the purpose of my posts.

Here are the fits and the graph. Red is Mach and green is Vindi: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/33/dpsgraph.png/

Was referring to the Vindicator, but good to know that graph is sans rig.

Anyone going to post missions times for a Mach, Vargur, and Vindi to help resolve the debate?

So is the mach a good ship for missions guys?

I've been told it's pretty fast c/d?

It's one of, if not the best, ship to blitz missions or do the objectives and ignore the rest of the ships if possible to maximize amount of loyalty points you get per hour.

It does require a lot of flying around to maximize its potential unless you are constantly up against angels who come to you, and even then they move slow. If you want to sit and turtle, a Vindicator or Kronos would be a solid choice. The Nightmare is also an awesome ship for it.

I've made a spreadsheet that allows you to enter in the damage profile of your ammunition, your unmodified dps and other vital information like optimal, falloff, the resist profile of your target, and base shield, armor and structure health of the target.

Using this information I calculate the effective dps you do to that target as well as calculate the damage from 0km to 70km in 5km intervals. This spreadsheet has shown me some interesting information, the Machariel is not NEARLY as good as people make it out to be. It's good, but not amazing. Interesting that with a resist profile of 70% EM / 60% Explosive / 40% Kinetic / 50% Thermal at 20km with a Machariel putting out 918 dps and a Nightmare putting out 977 they do 439 and 550 dps respectively.

Even though the Machariel is shooting at the targets second lowest resist hole with a small amount of damage towards the lowest, the EM / therm nightmare still comes out on top at 20km due to fall off losses. I'm fairly certain my calculations for resisted dps and subsequent falloff are correct.

Use the max() function. All spreadsheet programs should have one. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Falloff max(0, range_to_target - turret_optimal_range)

Tengu ftw. Mine is the hard to probe variety, which makes it useful for ninja missioning in nosec/losec. Missile tengu can't be tracking disrupted, has enough range even when damped to kill the damping ship, and the hard-to-probe version is golden vs jamming (eccm mods), and fit correctly can easily overcome defender missile shooters. AB moves me around quickly in the mission but thats more for getting to accelaration gates than anything else, because everything is dead by the time it gets close to me. Once fit, there's no need to change mods, ammo types (navy scourge exclusively), or screw with drones. I do a mission, I come back to station, turn it in, and undock immediately. Once every 3 missions or so, I throw some more missiles into the hold. 100% no hassle ship.

Frigs and spider drones die quickly with flares/rigors fit. I have only gone past half shields once, and that was a failure to watch the screen while on the phone.

Get one of those haul missions periodically? Tengu is faster.

Bored with this agent? Want to go run an epic arc or go to a different faction to break the monotony? Swap BCS for cargo extenders, pack your missiles (remember, you don't need anything else), and move on, no need for support ships to haul your crap. No need to think about ammo types or mission rat abilities.

Want to do something else entirely? Keep a couple subsystems with you, esp interdictor nullifier and covert one. Add in the scanning boost one and you can go from mission runner to hot drop, to gate runner, to WH runner, to scout, and back again.

Unless the mach is saving 5 minutes or more per mission, every mission, its not better. I will make up most of the mach's time savings (if there is any) on alignment time and warp speed.

The tengu is so much more flexible that your money will be much better spent on the tengu.

Actually the alignment speed of the Mach is quite respectable and the average warp is not at maximum warp speed for very long. We spend the majority of warp time accelerating and decelerating. The mach also deals with frigates a lot better than the tengu, missiles take too long on frigs, even with precisions. Missile counting is tedious as well. Machariel also does more dps. Besides blitzing a very small selection of missions, the Machariel is better overall than the Tengu. I use a block runner for those low sec courier missions as it's far superior to using the Tengu for it.

That's because most people want hi-sec L4 fits. The few people that do want to run low and null sec L4s either state that specifically or are already knowledgeable. The Mach doesn't have to save 5 minutes over the Tengu on every mission to be superior. The fact that it WILL do far better on AE, WC, EA 5/5 and many others makes it an overall better choice. It can also blitz (almost) as well as a tengu for getting in, taking out the objective and then gtfo. I will concede that for things like RIght Hand of Zazzmatazz the Tengu is superior, easily.

You don't drone swap with a Machariel, you carry a set of hobs and a set of warriors. Swapping drones in and out is a waste of time, and you can carry all types of ammo in the mach hold avoiding the ammo switching.