EVE General Discussion

I am a null sec carrier pilot.

My most common use of a carrier (2-3 times per week) is jumping fitted ships into a system nearby and putting them up on contracts. We are having active sub-cap fights nearby and this is to resupply fleets.

I can carry in ~10 cruisers or a bunch of frigates or a couple BCs or battleships, usually a mixture depending on what's needed. I can also carry a limited number of needed modules (cynos, cloaks, prop mods, etc.) for the market.

The jump is ~11 light years and costs about 20 million ISK in fuel for a round trip.

It takes about 45 minutes on average to get the cyno alt positioned, jump in, unload, put things up on contracts/market, reposition cyno, jump back home.

Do you consider this 'power projection' as it is widely referred to in the discussion of null sec issues?

Do you consider this capability in terms of cost and time commitment to be game breaking, reasonable, or too hard/boring?

Would love to hear honest answers, but funny ones are good too.

I disagree.

I think.

Maybe not.

The honest answer is that I have stopped caring about power projection. It's a choice between getting farmed or remaining insignificant. Most lowseccers I speak would rather have fun being insignificant, and leave hoarding the space assets that make empire building possible to those that already have an empire. At this time it simply makes no sense to play the conquest game without decent cap projection. Every timer I have helped create in the last half year has been scouted and ninja'd by bigger fish, 9/10 a Titan was involved. Without the capacity to project power against such attacks, how much sense does it make to create timers? How much sense does it make to form up and make some content, when the outcome is already fixed in your disfavour?

The true problem with power projection is that with known outcomes, it makes no sense to fight. When most territorial disputes are handled by diplomacy or deterrence of size and projection capacity, where does that leave ship violence in a PVP game about internet spaceships?

Power Projection needed a nerf, people can defend themselves saying "but it hurts the little guy MORE!", my response is , what would that little guy be doing? at most he might be trying to fight in a system a couple jumps from his lowsec deployment zone, with the measly 15-20 caps, and 2-3 supercaps his corp/alliance holds, if power projection ISNT nerfed, then big bad nullblob sitting 50+ jumps away hears theres a tiny little gang of caps and subs trying to fight another little gang, and within an hour or two are dropping several HUNDRED caps and 100+ supers onto the fight, outnumbering both parties combined. with projection nerfed, little attilla wannabe can still take those fights 2-3 jumps away in mroe or less the same fashion he does now, but for the big mean blob sitting 50 jumps away, it would take twice as long for them to get there, if at all.

your not the litttle guy competing against the null blob. your the little guy avoiding them entirely.

the entire proposal and purpose is around empire interaction and the viability of smaller independent empires to exist, your tiny rogue mining operation is literally irrelevant to the balance or the implementation, not to be rude.

The biggest thing to consider is that you can't just take this one change by itself - there are other things on the way that will counterbalance the nerf to jump range and frequency and (ideally) make it so there isn't a need to jump around so much.

Hopefully CCP won't screw things up too badly and it'll all work out in the end.

Oh, and also I hear they'll be letting capitals use gates, so that will help.

Oh yay.

Instead of Bridging my Blockies back to Low and a single jump to high, I have to fly 14 jumps through gates now camped by Supers.

Thats... helpful.

I was speaking about the OP, really.

But for your style of operation, there might be something for you in the later releases (although it might be better to do them all at once instead of piecemeal).

Mainly the addition of NPC stations/systems and occupancy-based sov, resulting in some relatively safe places for you to set up a base while waiting for the cooldowns.

It does make things more complicated for you, though, that's for sure, and I hope you find a way to adapt - what you do sounds super nifty, actually.

To the op: nope, that's putting some effort to allow your friends to have fun. An honorable eve job!

Power projection, imho, is both:

1) The ease at which bored players can drop 20 supers on a single dread

2) The fact that a powerful group of players can deploy its maximum firepower anywhere they want, without needing to worry (decide) whether to attack someone's space or defend their own.

Proposed changes seem to pretty much fix #1, while #2 is a more difficult nut to crack; just playing with cooldowns is obviously not enough.


Coming back to your great logi work, ccp could save it from extinction by introducing a jf with a ship maintnance bay, and not nerfing jf range.

You're basically farming the most PvP-heavy area of the PvP-focused game while avoiding PvP with minimum effort. Props to you for figuring out a way of doing that - but at the same time I can't dredge up any sympathy for your cause. You'll just have to take the risks along with the rewards (such as having to use the gates), like the vast majority of Null tourists, or get involved and invest into carving out a permanent space for yourself.