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Succubus and Phantasm
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#41 - 2014-09-30 08:02:34 UTC
The idea of the AB bonus did seem to be to make the Sansha ships perform on AB the way they used to perform on MWD but without the disadvantages (bloom and scrams). If that was the intent then by all accounts it failed...
Anthar Thebess
#42 - 2014-09-30 08:16:21 UTC
The base concept is good on paper.
What is ruining it in game is base range of the web - a bit longer than scram Roll , that it can stack, and cheep ships , like electronic attack frigates have bonus to range.

Phantasm do not have any role - so it should be focused on dps.
But that what it is missing in armor version, and in shield signature is to big to call it a ab kite ship.

PVP lasers use scorch , and 24km range when you are moving at 1k m/s is just ... to short.
Unless your target will be webed, scrambled and moving 200m/s , but then you have to turn off your AB , and all your precious bonus is gone.

I don't say give more ehp , give more dps - some role.
Some ships web, some point , some neut ... let phantasm also have some bonus to ewar.
Jams? NO.

Sansha assimilates all races - so we have plenty to choose from.

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Anthar Thebess
#43 - 2014-10-01 07:13:58 UTC
Phantasm got its shield regen boosted, so someone really read those topics.

So keep this topic running , we could get at some point "working" sansha cruiser.

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Sigras
Conglomo
#44 - 2014-10-01 17:41:42 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
The base concept is good on paper.
What is ruining it in game is base range of the web - a bit longer than scram Roll , that it can stack, and cheep ships , like electronic attack frigates have bonus to range.

Phantasm do not have any role - so it should be focused on dps.
But that what it is missing in armor version, and in shield signature is to big to call it a ab kite ship.

PVP lasers use scorch , and 24km range when you are moving at 1k m/s is just ... to short.
Unless your target will be webed, scrambled and moving 200m/s , but then you have to turn off your AB , and all your precious bonus is gone.

I don't say give more ehp , give more dps - some role.
Some ships web, some point , some neut ... let phantasm also have some bonus to ewar.
Jams? NO.

Sansha assimilates all races - so we have plenty to choose from.

Have you tried putting tracking computers in the plethora of mids the phantasm has? +30% tracking really helps out those lasers, in fact my phantasm hits for > 300 DPS at 7km with it's own perfect transversal (IE with 1000 m/s transversal velocity) At that range you're probably packing a web and scram, so their movement is largely negligible, but unless they're double webbing you, your movement is still significant.

Anthar Thebess wrote:
Sigras wrote:
My phantasm does 350 DPS with scorch at 23 km with 40,000 EHP and an AB going just over 1000 m/s

Can you post fit?
While moving 1k m/s how often you will get targets within those 23km ?

Edit :
Try to fit similar fit on omen.
43k EHP, almost 300dps , and 700m/s

And 30mil ISK

I have no idea how you got so much EHP off of the omen without boosts or implants, but here's my phantasm armor HAC setup

[Phantasm, Armor HAC]
Damage Control II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Warp Disruptor II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Remote Sensor Dampener II, Targeting Range Dampening Script
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 200

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Hobgoblin II x3

solo I drop both of the sensor damps and the disruptor and go web + scram + tracking disruptor...

The tracking disruptor works wonders on vagabonds and fleet stabbers which are really what this ship fears...
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