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Dock and Undock (Specific Cases)
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Opium Tea
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-10-01 05:24:34 UTC
Friends made me aware of importance of making safe dock/undock bookmarks, and I have read all I could find on it. Few questions left, though, so I will try to find answers here.

Why on approaching station you don't always land on 0, even when it is the same station - is it the angle from which you warp from and if so any tips? (e.g. I noticed that coming from lower angle to an Amarr st. sometimes works, but not always.)

Sometimes BM made at the very undock when you are at 0, doesn't always result in it being real safe dock BM. Is it better to make safe dock BM somewhere above or under station, while still being in 0 distance?

Knock-out stations, are they still the game, or their 'undock ring' has been broadened. As I tested on one Minmatar, in a small fast ship (Slasher) and was able to fully stop before going out of 0 distance.

And for end, if someone could give me a few tips on what to do when you must dock/undock and no ready bookmarks in a somewhat risky station/local. This is I think connected with first question -- angle of approach (if that actually has any consequence).

Again, thanks a lot!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2014-10-01 05:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Opium Tea wrote:
Why on approaching station you don't always land on 0, even when it is the same station - is it the angle from which you warp from and if so any tips? (e.g. I noticed that coming from lower angle to an Amarr st. sometimes works, but not always.)


You always land at some spot at (or within, I forget) 2500m of the spot you warped to. Warping to a station your warp to destination is the edge of docking ring. Bury your insta docks well within the ring.

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Knock-out stations, are they still the game


Yep. Some are worse than other though.

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And for end, if someone could give me a few tips on what to do when you must dock/undock and no ready bookmarks in a somewhat risky station/local.


Cloaks.
Insta undocks can be made by exploiting the fact that stations spit you out on one of the 4 cardinal directions or straight down (if you're very careful, you can make an insta without ever docking).
You still have a 30s invulnerability on undocking, no matter what range. Use that to figure out what to do.

Edit: Fixed quotes.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-10-01 06:26:12 UTC
Dock BMs are best made as close to the station as possible.

Just fly towards the station until you hit it, then bookmark that.

Best place is somewhere concave, typically on the bottom, where you're basically surrounded by most of the station model.

This will result in you often bumping off the station itself when exiting warp, but it has never been a problem for me. Your speed goes up to a few hundred m/s, but you immediately slow down while remaining well within docking range, with ample time to dock.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-10-01 07:40:14 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
[quote=Opium Tea]

Quote:
And for end, if someone could give me a few tips on what to do when you must dock/undock and no ready bookmarks in a somewhat risky station/local.


Cloaks.
Insta undocks can be made by exploiting the fact that stations spit you out on one of the 4 cardinal directions or straight down (if you're very careful, you can make an insta without ever docking).
You still have a 30s invulnerability on undocking, no matter what range. Use that to figure out what to do.

Edit: Fixed quotes.


NOT TRUE.

Your undock invul runs out:

A. After 30 seconds.

OR

B. If you do any command on your ship other then stopping by hitting Ctrl-space.


So your assumption that you are still under invul after you warped to you undock, come and let's try, I will kill you easily as you passed option B (you initiated warp, which drops your invul).





If you have no undock bookmark and want to check the outside of station:


A. Undock
B. As soon as you see space, hit Ctrl-space to stop your ship.
C. Wait out the 10 sec session timer after which you can redock
D. Use the remaing 20 seconds you still have if needed to check your situation.
E. If safe, continue / If hostile, redock.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#5 - 2014-10-01 14:37:26 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
[quote=Opium Tea]

Quote:
And for end, if someone could give me a few tips on what to do when you must dock/undock and no ready bookmarks in a somewhat risky station/local.


Cloaks.
Insta undocks can be made by exploiting the fact that stations spit you out on one of the 4 cardinal directions or straight down (if you're very careful, you can make an insta without ever docking).
You still have a 30s invulnerability on undocking, no matter what range. Use that to figure out what to do.

Edit: Fixed quotes.


NOT TRUE.

Your undock invul runs out:

A. After 30 seconds.

OR

B. If you do any command on your ship other then stopping by hitting Ctrl-space.


So your assumption that you are still under invul after you warped to you undock, come and let's try, I will kill you easily as you passed option B (you initiated warp, which drops your invul).


I meant no matter what range you end up relative to the docking ring after hitting ctrl-space.

I don't know where you got the idea that I was saying you still have invulnerability after warping.

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Solecist Project
#6 - 2014-10-01 15:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Okay so let me help out here.

First of all, besides not losing invul when you hit CTRL+SPACE,
you can also grab from wrecks and cans within reach and don't lose invul.

A rarely known tidbit I loved to use as -10. ;)


So ... when you want to make an InstaDock bookmark ...
... you cqn do any way you like.

A good approach is to warp to station to 100km,
in line with a sentry turret (always play zoomed out!).

Then you warp to 50km to the sentry turret that has the station in between ...
... and you land right in it.

Edit in: OF COURSE THIS IS THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT BOOKMARK!

Even if CCP moves space objects around again ...
... which they do! ...
... this bookmark will be safe for at least a few years.



Also, as this is not known often...

You can click ADD LOCATION as often as you want beforehand, to get ready for saving.
The spot in space gets saved when you click SAVE,
not when you click ADD LOCATION!

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Solecist Project
#7 - 2014-10-01 15:18:24 UTC
InstaUndocks are a very interesting matter ...
... and beyond my time right now to write a tutorial to make ...
... handcrafted, perfectly safe ones.

I'll add one if I remember this post. :p

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Opium Tea
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-10-01 16:14:03 UTC
Thanks and thanks some more for the passion. So far good! I like the tutorial I find with Agony University (which class I am about to take soon!)

I like that with sentry tip. I used Agony way to be zoomed out and with tactical overlay. Really help with to cut those strange little angles you are always kicked out.

Also found that safe undock is usually made in 1k off, so far I am contempt with 200-250m one, but yes I see how this can easily be camped in busy systems with instant-locking ships.

Down-kick stations that most confused me are basically the most easy to set now when I use tact-overlay.

PS

A friend I made, who is about a month older then me in-game, got blown by smart-bombs in slightly busy lowsec system. Now, beside dock/undock I am to make safe warp-ins on gates, too. Becoming sooo paranoid when ore hold is full of expensive gas... Ha, you got to love all about it! :)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-10-01 17:59:16 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
[quote=Opium Tea]

Quote:
And for end, if someone could give me a few tips on what to do when you must dock/undock and no ready bookmarks in a somewhat risky station/local.


Cloaks.
Insta undocks can be made by exploiting the fact that stations spit you out on one of the 4 cardinal directions or straight down (if you're very careful, you can make an insta without ever docking).
You still have a 30s invulnerability on undocking, no matter what range. Use that to figure out what to do.

Edit: Fixed quotes.


NOT TRUE.

Your undock invul runs out:

A. After 30 seconds.

OR

B. If you do any command on your ship other then stopping by hitting Ctrl-space.


So your assumption that you are still under invul after you warped to you undock, come and let's try, I will kill you easily as you passed option B (you initiated warp, which drops your invul).


I meant no matter what range you end up relative to the docking ring after hitting ctrl-space.

I don't know where you got the idea that I was saying you still have invulnerability after warping.


Because 99% of the times you are well within 2500m of the station's boundary box which prevents you from cloaking in the first place.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-10-01 18:01:38 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
InstaUndocks are a very interesting matter ...
... and beyond my time right now to write a tutorial to make ...
... handcrafted, perfectly safe ones.

I'll add one if I remember this post. :p


Insta Undocks aren't that hard.

Undock in a (very) fast frigate and equip MWD.

Turn it on and leave it on and do NOT change course at any point...keep going till desired distance from station and drop bookmark.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#11 - 2014-10-01 19:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
J'Poll wrote:
Because 99% of the times you are well within 2500m of the station's boundary box which prevents you from cloaking in the first place.


Those three separate lines are three separate pieces of advice for the several different situations where he asked for advice. I wouldn't have put in line breaks if they were a continuing thought.


Solecist Project wrote:
Then you warp to 50km to the sentry turret that has the station in between ...


The fact that the minimum warping distance is ~50km (closer to 60km in practice for the way I used it, but...) is easily one of my favorite little known facts.

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#12 - 2014-10-01 21:03:24 UTC
Two tips:

1) When burning away from station don´t just set up your insta-undock bookmark the moment you change grid (the station disappears from your overview). This is the place where I would wait for you if I knew you use undock bookmarks and nothing else.

2) Don´t use corporate-shared insta-undock bookmarks. In fact don´t use shared bookmarks at all if you can avoid it.

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Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
#13 - 2014-10-01 21:55:53 UTC
Thanks for the info useful stuff to know. Another question relating to undocking book marks is when I dock up i am facing the station how do i dock so that when i undock i am looking out into space and not at the station? The reason i ask is because every time i try to right click for my undocking bookmark I get the station interface instead which could be costly if i needed a quick getaway.


I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2014-10-01 22:14:31 UTC
Anke Eyrou wrote:
Thanks for the info useful stuff to know. Another question relating to undocking book marks is when I dock up i am facing the station how do i dock so that when i undock i am looking out into space and not at the station? The reason i ask is because every time i try to right click for my undocking bookmark I get the station interface instead which could be costly if i needed a quick getaway.


The camera always likes looking at the station because... I don't know, CCP thinks it's cinematic or something.

Either remember to quickly swivel the camera, or keep your people&places window open. It probably won't affect your ability to effect a quick escape either way, because of that nice 30s invulnerability timer.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-10-01 22:39:18 UTC
Just pan the camera around (as it is not interaction witb your ship you are still under undock invul).

Or easier, use them scrollwheel and zoom out...a lot. This opens up more space for "empty space" on your screen to use the right click menu.




Personally in certain systems I prefer to use the P&P window for my bookmarks.

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Anke Eyrou
Hades Sisters
#16 - 2014-10-02 09:03:00 UTC
Thank you for the info.

I expect to get this post deleted or locked. So much for freedom of expression.