Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i find it somehow interesting that this game is widely considered to be a sandbox but most players do not want to utilize the "freedom to do whatever you want".

read, if nullseccers want npc-constellations in every sov-region, why don't you guys just create them?
found a together ally, move some systems from every region into it, hand directorate to someone you all trust, make stations ffa and there you go.

It would be interesting to see changes if carriers could use RR only in triage...after all they are their name suggest that they should be platforms carrying ships/drones and not huge logistics. Its kinda like we would give guardian sentry drones

Give up cyno jammers, timers and all your supers - then and only then would this start to become reasonable. Until then, these suggested changes are totally useless. You're trying to totally lock down the remaining null via clone jump diplomacy.

More NPC doesn't make your holdings any less stale or boring. I would say the biggest null block problem is that their eve pretty much sux AND they can't force me or anyone else to come play it. It's getting lonely in the winner's circle and no one cares - there are plenty of other rides in the amusement park that are actually fun.

Did you ever see the picture of the snake biting itslef in the tail? If you paint the snake blue it will resemble a big blue donut.

Those charts are awesome! Just a couple of questions regarding them...

1. Do you count wh space as null or high sec (this is about just null proper suckingass, so putting wh w/ null is misleading)
2. Have you ever looked at the in game map?? (HS and LS are packed with players and activity - null isn't)
3. What are you smoking?

EDIT 4. Did you factor out mining and farming bots in your null activity? Because F..... them.

funny how people request involved parties to shoot their own feet instead pushing sov changes toward CCP.

I really wonder who is more likely to shake up status quo: CCP, who face leaking subscriptions or players, who'd require themselves to shoot their own feet. Get real.

So people can't play the metagame? The thing that keeps EVE actually alive and the only thing that has ever got EVE in the news? It's fairly depressing that what you suggest - and some others here - is players have to be self regulating in a game which says it's a sandbox and even advertises itself as one where the metagame is a core element.



Power creep of dreads won't work especially if you add remote reps, not unless you want to see 256 man Dread Fleets replacing battleship fleets. It would be fun for us, but not for the small guy who's worried about supers. Supercaps and Titans themselves need addressing directly as they are part of the problem and the reason for the numerically large coalitions. The occupation based Sov, if done correctly will invalidate some of the threat supercaps pose to smaller groups as you're not just talking about grinding out hit points when you want to take Sov.

Their is no proof of 'leaking subscriptions'. Both the sub numbers and pcu counts people glean from EVE-Offline can be explained by CCP allowing multiple character training. EVE-offline never told anyone who was or wasn't an alt to begin with, so using it as a reference to say "subs and activity declined" is illogical.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZR9w3ftjY

And yes, the in game map is misleading. Take for instance ship kills, it only tells you a ship was killed, doesn't tell you what kind, or whether it was killed by another person, or an npc. The last time CCP gave us numbers they revealed that the most kills ship in high sec was the CONDOR you get free from tutorial missions lol.

Or take 'jumps per hour', a lot of what looks like "activity' in high sec is actually people who are at work/school (not at home) and no where near their computers auto piloting across high sec (something that doesn't happen in low, null and wormhole space).

Null, low and WH activity can be gauged by the ingame map. High Sec activity can not.

Did you notice what happened to PL when they lost the battle for B-R5? Look up Grath's story on FHC if you don't.
They had to eat a **** sandwich (and that's a quote) and be gone for a while.
Do you know why? Because assets, in station. A lot of them. So yeah, you could wage war from anywhere, but if you can have invulnerable staging systems, I'd say that increases your ability to wage war. Similar thing happened with BL and CFC, or something along the line.
And now the "leaders" write a "letter" to CCP saying, please CCP, we're bored - let us have an undestructable staging system to stash our caps, have our clones and what not, so they won't be able to purge us completely out of any region, and so we can clone around EvE safely - to counter what ever changes CCP might introduce, be it caps nerf , power projection nerf, destructible stations and more. I'd even say they request it BECAUSE of these incoming changes, but that i won't be able to prove.

So yeah, don't be a ******.

Who are you kidding, you're not going to fight anyone, no matter what happens. Your leaders want some content, as long as there's not threat to your sov, since renting and sov. is not something to put at risk. So no, there won't be any war, none of you will initiate it. It took a 3rd party to initiate last time, if you remember. The time before that, we remember what happened to HBC/Montolio when he decided not to play according to your "agreements".

The idea suggested are the essence of what's going on right now:

- Need some more content, but only of the type that doesn't endanger sov/income and doesn't require commitment.
- People are bored, please help us overcome ourselves.

And yeah, i don't give a flying duck about how goons play, and I don't differentiate goons from the rest of the donut - all the same to me, but when the donut starts to suggest self-serving mechanics changes ... I'd say it's a bit different from what you're presenting.

I'll just say I look at the map quite often. Players in space and players docked in station. Forget the skewed and misleading empire stuff and just look at Null. It's empty. Jumps in the last hour is pathetic across all regions. It sux out there. Regardless of how you paint HS - Null is void and empty. It's stupid to claim otherwise (pro hint- we're not dumb and we can all open the map and see what isn't going on in null)