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The Null Deal: A Statement from Sovereign Nullsec

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#661 - 2014-10-01 13:08:06 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
KatanTharkay wrote:

So no matter what, you want to be safe. Sadly, safety made this game boring. Well, I guess the only hope is that CCP will step in and make things unsafe for everybody, cause your proposal doesn't do that.


We are literally asking CCP to nerf our empires and our capabilities to wage war and you think we want to be safe...




Yes
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#662 - 2014-10-01 13:10:05 UTC
JIeoH Mocc wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Take the unbeatable fleets away from everyone and put in mechanics that makes taking and holding half of EVE impossible and you fix the problem.


How's that related to the "letter" at hand, signed by all the stars of our blue doughnut and then some?


The fact that they are calling for mechanics that make it impossible to take and hold half of null sec and make it easier for smaller entities to enter null to harass us.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#663 - 2014-10-01 13:10:23 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
KatanTharkay wrote:

So no matter what, you want to be safe. Sadly, safety made this game boring. Well, I guess the only hope is that CCP will step in and make things unsafe for everybody, cause your proposal doesn't do that.


We are literally asking CCP to nerf our empires and our capabilities to wage war and you think we want to be safe...




Yes


That is exactly what it is.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#664 - 2014-10-01 13:12:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
JIeoH Mocc wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Take the unbeatable fleets away from everyone and put in mechanics that makes taking and holding half of EVE impossible and you fix the problem.


How's that related to the "letter" at hand, signed by all the stars of our blue doughnut and then some?


The fact that they are calling for mechanics that make it impossible to take and hold half of null sec and make it easier for smaller entities to enter null to harass us.


At least that's what the propaganda you're spinning is. Just read through all your posts. You're pushing this crap pretty hard.

The CFC propaganda machine.

You broke it, YOU fix it.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#665 - 2014-10-01 13:12:27 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We are literally asking CCP to nerf our empires and our capabilities to wage war and you think we want to be safe...
No, we think you want to be safe because you are literally asking CCP to nerf your empires and your capabilities to wage war.

Treaties weren't enough because mistakes were made and suddenly B-R. You want to nerf yourself physically unable to harm each other, so your status will forever be stabilized. You want to be away from each other and want to feed your pilots with the kills of terribads so they never provoke the other empire.


You actually believe the rubbish you spout don't you?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#666 - 2014-10-01 13:13:30 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:


You broke it, YOU fix it.


Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#667 - 2014-10-01 13:17:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:


You broke it, YOU fix it.


Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet.


I don't fight cowards. Yes, cowards. That is why you blue everyone. Oh, PLEASE, don't attack me and I won't attack you.

That is what this is all about.

Blue Doughnut. You are nice and safe because you won't attack each other.

You even cry nerf on intercepters because a few come and attack you. Oh, yea, I've seen the tears on that also.

Cry some more.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#668 - 2014-10-01 13:21:29 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:


You broke it, YOU fix it.


Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet.


I don't fight cowards. Yes, cowards. That is why you blue everyone. Oh, PLEASE, don't attack me and I won't attack you.

That is what this is all about.

Blue Doughnut. You are nice and safe because you won't attack each other.

You even cry nerf on intercepters because a few come and attack you. Oh, yea, I've seen the tears on that also.

Cry some more.


You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?

You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.
Regatto
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#669 - 2014-10-01 13:24:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
JIeoH Mocc wrote:


If I would, I'd be having another corp/alliance ticker right now, don't you think?
What does the mechanics have to do with you wanting an easy life-style? At least don't be a hypocrite.
Any set of enforceable rules will succumb to that desire of yours to bunch up and "winwinwin", be it by dropping the node with a "thousand of megathrons(c)", having b0tl0rds of this kind or another, blobbing with titans and what not.

That's not something CCP CAN possibly fix. They can stir the pot a bit, but once everything settles into a steady state - that attitude of "If you had access to ..." will prevail. Always.

I hope they recognize it, and I hope that it settles in your head as well.


Given that I am also calling for our fleets to stop being unkillable I would say I understand. We are trying to get CCP to make changes that we cannot abuse.


There are like 50comments in this topic saying how you can abuse it...cant you just stop saying this now? :D
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#670 - 2014-10-01 13:25:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:


You broke it, YOU fix it.


Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet.


I don't fight cowards. Yes, cowards. That is why you blue everyone. Oh, PLEASE, don't attack me and I won't attack you.

That is what this is all about.

Blue Doughnut. You are nice and safe because you won't attack each other.

You even cry nerf on intercepters because a few come and attack you. Oh, yea, I've seen the tears on that also.

Cry some more.


You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?

You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.


Yet, there are no battles being waged. This is another lie anyway.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#671 - 2014-10-01 13:26:13 UTC
Regatto wrote:
Honestly I know this won't happen, cause its obvious that ppl like Vince are egomaniacs that just want to hoard power and isk(lets wonder why). So basically, even though they have power, they won't do anything about it. They will rather have their members run around eve and dunk on some hopeless groups like provi to keep their pilots "entertained" and quiet.
No, it's because they are players of the game, not employees of CCP there to keep the game in check when the mechanics fail to do so. It's not their responsibility to step in and play differently when the developers of the game fail to design their game properly.


JIeoH Mocc wrote:
Because having them indestructible NPC stations in every sov. region is "literally asking CCP for a nerf". Right.
While it probably will cause some small PvP groups to jump in and farm you/your renters, it actually amplifies the ability of the powerblocks to wage war, specially if you consider the possibly incoming power projection changes.
First off, we can already wage a war from practically anywhere, we own half the space. How will having NPC stations suddenly make us more able to wage war?

Secondly, if it did make us more able to wage war, isn't that exactly what you want? You are whining that we aren't fighting then telling us that our suggested changes will makes us fight people thus are bad. The reason this doesn't make sense is because you haven't thought it through, you are just raging because "grr goons".

The ideas suggested here aren't perfect, and they need a lot of fleshing out and work, but they give a general idea of where the null community would like to see the game going, and would give opportunities for smaller groups to make their own stand in null outside of renting. Standing there screaming "I hate goons and goons should just play different to make the rest of us happy" isn't really helping anything.

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Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#672 - 2014-10-01 13:28:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?

You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.


On that note lets summarize the arguments against:

1) Its all a giant plot by N3/PL and the CFC to get more null sec staging points so they can ROFLCoptor stomp any and all upstarts in the new sov system.

2) Its all a giant plot to condense PvE activities so null ratter become invincible slowcat/boot hordes with 50 man carrier fleets rallying to kill anyone who interrupts the ratting.

3) There won't be any fighting because the distance between entities will be too large and the small entities won't do anything to the larger ones and nobody else will be fighting anyone.

4) This won't fix anything because the CFC and N3/PL still exist

5) Why change the mechanics? People should change the way they play the game.


Every day I'm wafflin!
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#673 - 2014-10-01 13:28:12 UTC
Regatto wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
JIeoH Mocc wrote:


If I would, I'd be having another corp/alliance ticker right now, don't you think?
What does the mechanics have to do with you wanting an easy life-style? At least don't be a hypocrite.
Any set of enforceable rules will succumb to that desire of yours to bunch up and "winwinwin", be it by dropping the node with a "thousand of megathrons(c)", having b0tl0rds of this kind or another, blobbing with titans and what not.

That's not something CCP CAN possibly fix. They can stir the pot a bit, but once everything settles into a steady state - that attitude of "If you had access to ..." will prevail. Always.

I hope they recognize it, and I hope that it settles in your head as well.


Given that I am also calling for our fleets to stop being unkillable I would say I understand. We are trying to get CCP to make changes that we cannot abuse.


There are like 50comments in this topic saying how you can abuse it...cant you just stop saying this now? :D


It's the goon propaganda machine. It keeps going and going and going.

Doesn't matter that is lies. He just keeps pushing it.

They broke it. They need to fix it. CCP can't fix out of game treaties they hide behind like the weasels they are.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#674 - 2014-10-01 13:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Regatto wrote:


There are like 50comments in this topic saying how you can abuse it...cant you just stop saying this now? :D


There are 50 comments by people making the same mistakes and assumptions over and over along with a smattering of grr goon. The only reason most of you are against it is simply because we are supporting it.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#675 - 2014-10-01 13:30:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Regatto wrote:


There are like 50comments in this topic saying how you can abuse it...cant you just stop saying this now? :D


There are 50 comments by people making the same mistakes and assumptions over and over along with a smattering of grr goon. The only reason most of you are against it is simply because we are supporting it.


The propaganda machine lives on.
Regatto
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#676 - 2014-10-01 13:31:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Arsine Mayhem wrote:


You broke it, YOU fix it.


Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet.


I don't fight cowards. Yes, cowards. That is why you blue everyone. Oh, PLEASE, don't attack me and I won't attack you.

That is what this is all about.

Blue Doughnut. You are nice and safe because you won't attack each other.

You even cry nerf on intercepters because a few come and attack you. Oh, yea, I've seen the tears on that also.

Cry some more.


You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?

You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.


No...? Only like 12 regions? :D while in another half you can't even use caps because of that deal with PL to keep your supers/caps safe? Just to be sure...
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#677 - 2014-10-01 13:33:51 UTC
Regatto wrote:

No...? Only like 12 regions? :D while in another half you can't even use caps because of that deal with PL to keep your supers/caps safe? Just to be sure...


That has absolutely no bearing on how ridiculous most of the arguments against the proposed changes to the sov system are.

Every day I'm wafflin!
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#678 - 2014-10-01 13:34:33 UTC
Regatto wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?

You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.


No...? Only like 12 regions? :D while in another half you can't even use caps because of that deal with PL to keep your supers/caps safe? Just to be sure...


Goon and pets broke it, they need to fix it. Goons are scared, hence the propaganda machine.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#679 - 2014-10-01 13:35:42 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:

You broke it, YOU fix it.


how exactly would you expect them to fix it?
Reset friendly alliances? Cancel BOTLRD?

There are still gazillions of structure HP noone wants to grind through at 0.1% tidi.

C'mon, get real.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#680 - 2014-10-01 13:37:55 UTC
Arsine Mayhem wrote:


Goon and pets broke it, they need to fix it. Goons are scared, hence the propaganda machine.


Who put in the mechanics to hold hundreds of empty systems forever?

Who put in the mechanics that makes our fleets unkillable?

Who put in the mechanics that force us to need huge areas of space to support our members?