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QotD: How do you measure profitability of highsec ganking?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#41 - 2014-10-01 03:41:09 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Veers Belvar wrote:
It's the subsequent baiting...the goading in local, the attempt to get people on TS and rile them up...and then to capture an emotional breakdown and get twisted amusement from it. Gank all you want, just stop looking for "tears." Focus on the game, and accomplish things in it...don't use it as a mechanism to inflict emotional distress.



All of which largely happens in your head. Because what you describe is harassment and a good way to get banned, so gankers don't do it. The people who are going to explode tend to do so immediately and without prompting once they've had their baubles taken away (much like a toddler with a favorite toy).

I was the recipient of a lengthy harassment campaign (across several of the harassers alts) because someone didn't like my forum posting.


Oh, and just to repeat from the other thread, posting "Can I has your stuff?" in reply to a quitting post/thread is not harassment.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-10-01 03:45:16 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
It's the subsequent baiting...the goading in local, the attempt to get people on TS and rile them up...and then to capture an emotional breakdown and get twisted amusement from it. Gank all you want, just stop looking for "tears." Focus on the game, and accomplish things in it...don't use it as a mechanism to inflict emotional distress.



All of which largely happens in your head. The people who are going to explode will do so immediately and without prompting once they've had their baubles taken away (much like a toddler with a favorite toy).

I was the recipient of a lengthy harassment campaign (across several of the harassers alts) because someone didn't like my forum posting.



The important question being, were they SEX harassers?
And did they pour some sugar on you (in the name of love)?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#43 - 2014-10-01 03:49:56 UTC
Buck Futz wrote:
The important question being, were they SEX harassers?
And did they pour some sugar on you (in the name of love)?



It may or may not have been almost this classy.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-10-01 03:52:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Veers Belvar wrote:
And again folks....the ganking isn't the problem.

It's the subsequent baiting...the goading in local, the attempt to get people on TS and rile them up...and then to capture an emotional breakdown and get twisted amusement from it. Gank all you want, just stop looking for "tears." Focus on the game, and accomplish things in it...don't use it as a mechanism to inflict emotional distress.


While I am enjoying the persistence of your ignorance, which is made clear by the fact that this is what you think is going on, I challenge you to see things another way. CCP tears best tears. Except that there weren't any tears here.... so if you can figure out why someone would do this with no intent to cause emotional distress, I will personally give you a gold star. I'll even go you one better, I'll let you join my corp just long enough to personally give you a medal called the Gold Star of Veers Belvar - awarded for becoming slightly less ignorant.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#45 - 2014-10-01 03:58:27 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
As an industrialist the equation is easy:

[Profitability of ganking me] << [Profitability of ganking someone else]


Reminds me of a joke I can never quite get right when I'm telling it to someone without the internet in front of me.

two guys are hiking thru the woods when they come across a blood thirsty bear. The first guy starts taking off his boots and putting on running shoes. The second guy says " hey, what are you doing, you can't outrun that bear!" and the first guy replies " I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you"

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#46 - 2014-10-01 11:28:21 UTC
Glathull wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
As an industrialist the equation is easy:

[Profitability of ganking me] << [Profitability of ganking someone else]


Reminds me of a joke I can never quite get right when I'm telling it to someone without the internet in front of me.

two guys are hiking thru the woods when they come across a blood thirsty bear. The first guy starts taking off his boots and putting on running shoes. The second guy says " hey, what are you doing, you can't outrun that bear!" and the first guy replies " I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you"


Now that reminds me of a scene from the Walking Dead.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2014-10-01 11:31:05 UTC
Never been a fan of the Walking Dead. I do enjoy Breaking Bad though, that's a Barium, Neodymium, Tungsten, Silver, Oxygen, Nitrogen and Sulfur that I can jump on.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#48 - 2014-10-01 11:37:25 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Never been a fan of the Walking Dead. I do enjoy Breaking Bad though, that's a Barium, Neodymium, Tungsten, Silver, Oxygen, Nitrogen and Sulfur that I can jump on.


I have yet to watch Breaking Bad, but it is on my Netflix hitlist.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-10-01 11:40:32 UTC
Charax Bouclier wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Never been a fan of the Walking Dead. I do enjoy Breaking Bad though, that's a Barium, Neodymium, Tungsten, Silver, Oxygen, Nitrogen and Sulfur that I can jump on.


I have yet to watch Breaking Bad, but it is on my Netflix hitlist.


This is for you so that you can get the joke.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Solecist Project
#50 - 2014-10-01 11:44:52 UTC
Glathull wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
As an industrialist the equation is easy:

[Profitability of ganking me] << [Profitability of ganking someone else]


Reminds me of a joke I can never quite get right when I'm telling it to someone without the internet in front of me.

two guys are hiking thru the woods when they come across a blood thirsty bear. The first guy starts taking off his boots and putting on running shoes. The second guy says " hey, what are you doing, you can't outrun that bear!" and the first guy replies " I don't have to outrun the bear, I only have to outrun you"

lol

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-10-01 11:48:12 UTC
I have a joke too.

So this bloke comes into a bar....


No, wait, it was a horse.


So this bloke comes into a horse...

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Creamdream
Whatever Brah
#52 - 2014-10-01 11:48:56 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Charax Bouclier wrote:
Income - Cost = Profitability



Mr Epeen Cool


You know you have a SIG for that... Trying to propfile yourself like that on every post LOL it is just annoying m8.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-10-01 11:55:02 UTC
Creamdream wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Charax Bouclier wrote:
Income - Cost = Profitability



Mr Epeen Cool


You know you have a SIG for that... Trying to propfile yourself like that on every post LOL it is just annoying m8.


Somehow, I think you being annoyed is the least of his worries, if not his intention. GG

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-10-01 13:57:05 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
RubyPorto wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
It's the subsequent baiting...the goading in local, the attempt to get people on TS and rile them up...and then to capture an emotional breakdown and get twisted amusement from it. Gank all you want, just stop looking for "tears." Focus on the game, and accomplish things in it...don't use it as a mechanism to inflict emotional distress.


...Because what you describe is harassment and a good way to get banned, so gankers don't do it...

What he describes is, what a lot of code-guys do.
loyalanon is one of them and some more, proven by their own page the mb.com.
So "gankers don't do it" feels very wrong for me.
Do you differ codies from regular gankers?
Or should the pretense of "roleplaying" excuse such behavior?
In my oppinion it does not excuse this behaviour, in my oppionion it shows a lack of respect for the other players.
To those guys i would recommend to play "the Sims 4" and then come back to play EvE.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-10-01 14:24:59 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
It's the subsequent baiting...the goading in local, the attempt to get people on TS and rile them up...and then to capture an emotional breakdown and get twisted amusement from it. Gank all you want, just stop looking for "tears." Focus on the game, and accomplish things in it...don't use it as a mechanism to inflict emotional distress.


...Because what you describe is harassment and a good way to get banned, so gankers don't do it...

What he describes is, what a lot of code-guys do.
loyalanon is one of them and some more, proven by their own page the mb.com.
So "gankers don't do it" feels very wrong for me.
Do you differ codies from regular gankers?
Or should the pretense of "roleplaying" excuse such behavior?
In my oppinion it does not excuse this behaviour, in my oppionion it shows a lack of respect for the other players.
To those guys i would recommend to play "the Sims 4" and then come back to play EvE.


You remind me of a girl I used to date a long time ago. Once, she asked me to spell orange, so I said, "O-R-A-N-G-E".

And she looks at me with a scowl and says, "No, I mean the colour, not the fruit."

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#56 - 2014-10-01 14:32:40 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
La Rynx wrote:
What he describes is, what a lot of code-guys do.
loyalanon is one of them and some more, proven by their own page the mb.com.
So "gankers don't do it" feels very wrong for me.
Do you differ codies from regular gankers?
Or should the pretense of "roleplaying" excuse such behavior?
In my oppinion it does not excuse this behaviour, in my oppionion it shows a lack of respect for the other players.
To those guys i would recommend to play "the Sims 4" and then come back to play EvE.


If you have evidence that Code. members are crossing the line from roleplaying (running an extortion racket is perfectly legitimate gameplay in EVE, and you're free to dress it up however you like, subject to other parts of the TOS) to harassment, you should report those Code. members (or anyone else) to CCP.

Statements like "Next time follow the Code as described at minerbumping.com" are the furtherance of the extortion racket, and probably not harassment (wording dependent, of course).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#57 - 2014-10-01 14:33:25 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
What he describes is, what a lot of code-guys do.
loyalanon is one of them and some more, proven by their own page the mb.com.
So "gankers don't do it" feels very wrong for me.
[specific citation needed]

Witty Image - Stream

Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#58 - 2014-10-01 15:10:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Or you could actually try to help other people enjoy the game instead of looking for tears...imagine that.


And nobody's judging* you if you'd like to do that.

We don't say you're a bad person for enjoying your legitimate in-game activities, why are you so keen to say others are bad people for enjoying their legitimate in-game activities?

Aren't you the one always calling for civility?


*At least not on moral grounds.


Except that for many gankers the sole reason they gank is "tears." There is no in-game benefit, they know the ships are empty. It's done specifically to elicit as much anger and upset as possible, and then used to mock and humiliate the victim. It is the precise opposite of civility, and not really an "in-game" activity at all. Rather it is using Eve to attempt to inflict emotional harm on people, and the more vulnerable/unbalanced/impaired they are - the better.

That's the difference between ganking for a legitimate purpose - be it isk, territory, killboard padding, or what not, which I am fine with, and ganking to intentionally inflict emotional distress, which I find abhorrent.


Veers, I think that is an interesting post and I hope ISD folks allow this thread to continue for a bit as I would like some clarification.

Say someone ganks others without regard to a "legitimate purpose" and doesn't taunt the victim and the victim gets upset. Do you consider that harrassment?

Same question, but let's say the ganker enjoys seeing his victims lose their ships and is amused when theyy complain about being ganked but doesn't provoke more tears by word of mouth and simply blows stuff up. Is that harrassment?

I am curious if the intent of the ganker figures prominently in your assessment or is it simply observable actions?
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-10-01 15:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Thank you, i decide on my own what i will petition.
In Sokhars case i did before Ripard postet on his blog.

However.

RubyPorto wrote:
Statements like "Next time follow the Code as described at minerbumping.com" are the furtherance of the extortion racket, and probably not harassment (wording dependent, of course).


And i am not talking about that.
I am talking about 2 hour session, easy to follow since pictures of the convos where posted.
There is more, but i do not report and do not care minor cases.

Another question:
postal secrecy, does it exist in eve?

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#60 - 2014-10-01 15:17:29 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Or you could actually try to help other people enjoy the game instead of looking for tears...imagine that.


Help other people enjoy the game?

You must be loads of fun at a soccer match when you kick the ball into your own goal just to be nice because the other team has no points.