Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How would this do anything besides make logistics guys slightly more sad and raise the bar slightly higher for anyone fresh wanting to take sov?

Carrier travel currently isn't dependant on NPC stations. If they were sprinkled throughout sov null, folks would use jump clones and truely instantly teleport to where they want to be. The speed at which you deployed half way across the galaxy is a problem. NPC stations scattered about will just make that worse.

If I were a null block that was forced to capitalize on game mechanics, I'd go from cynos to jump clones in a matter of days. If you didn't - you'd be stupid. So that being what it is, scattering NPC stations across null and forcing this would just be stupid. It would further support the stranglehold that has made null a deserted wasteland. It would make control more instant. It's just bad for the game.

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Only action you see in null is catch and providence. I've been checking dotlan for the last couple of weeks. Caldari space is far more dangerous than null.

They do nothing for the game, and actually it's just the opposite. They have ruined it.

Actually, condensing people down into a few system slike that hurts afk cloakers, because cloaky hotdroppers rely on weak singular targets. It's one thing dropping on people when help has to gate jump or cyno in, it's another when the guy gettting dropped on is in a 100 man strong defense fleet that can just dock and reship into heap but effective ships (Cruisers, BCs etc).

I don't see any alterior motives. I see a repeat of the Dominion mistikes.

A short list:

-Human Nature. In game as in real life, people don't fight over things they can buy or trade for. Despite what people think, people are generally cooperative by nature (which is why on a planet of 6 billion+ souls, only a tiny tiny fraction is actually doing any shooting and killing of each other, TV just makes it seem like more lol).

This 'agreement' seems to rely on the mistaken belief that people want to fight each other. If they did everyone wouldn't be blue lol. What people want is to WIN , and if the best way to do that is cooperation (OTEC, Coalitions, etc) then that's what will happen. These suggestions will end up in BOTLRD styled "don't screw our heartlands" agreements and not much more.

-Relying on PVE as the cornerstone of the system. Dominion did this, system upgrade status decays if no one uses it.

-Failing to understand the null sec does not exist in a vacuum. Related to the 2nd point. The signatories aren't PVE players, they don't understand that people in null alliances pve for quick funds and will not stack up in crowded systems where you can't see all of local and stand a higher chance of losing a pve fit carrier or BS. Why do that when you can incursion under COMCORD protection of do FW missions in frig sized ships.

This problem is exacerbated by npc null in every region. Bad guys so close is even more reason for people to abandon null for safer empire isk making.

-The null sec rewards paradox. CCP unwittingly created a situations where increasing wealth generation high enough to be worth it in null has the knock on effect of burning up the EVE economy. We saw this with the 500 mil an hour Titan + tracking link scimitar madness of the early Dominion days. Now it's super carriers but not that bad.

PVE rewards high enough (in a 'condensed' null sec scheme) to entice people to not flee to high sec, low sec and wormhole alt corp groups would be so high that it would be worthwhile for alliances to lock down their own systems with cyno jammers and standby defense fleets (who aren't PVEing, like the guys who guarded those FW mission locust fleets in the early days). While that sounds cool, you end up with higher inflationary preassure thats bad for everyone.



The above are just a few consequences of the ideas contained in the agreement. It's wrong headed to support game mechancis changes when what's really needed is better tools.

By 'better tools' I mean "Malcanis law resistant' tools ie things that give smaller poorer groups capabilities they would not normally have BUT are useless to larger richer groups. An example of the idea was seen in the last Alliance tournament. Some teams used 2 logi frigs instead of one logi cruiser. Less repping power, but also a MUCH lower points cost.

He meant goonie

did you know that 'goon' is a singular term and not a plural or collective term

no, apparently not

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/goon

it's the 1st definition, the one with the number 1 beside it.

And in case you missed this in your propaganda adventures.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5063055#post5063055

well the thing is, there are currently some regions of NPC space in null areas (not a lot, but they are there) and geuss who stages from them. Goons? PL? HERO? It's usually smaller groups, sometimes medium sized groups even. They use them as bases for fun and to farm the renters/goons for their ratters and the occasional gangs. So there is precedence against your proposal. Why would anyone waste time with standings or moving the clone when they have much more easily availible options.

nobody said anything about it depending exclusively on PvE