Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It’s pretty common knowledge that if you want a toon in Null Sec you just need to join any of the CFC Alliances as the recruitment requirement is pretty low. So if anyone is "stuck outside of null" then they probably only have one account.

And yeah, thats pretty whacky that the only people kicking up a stink in this thread are non-goonie......who wudah thunk dat.....

Anywhoo......the Null "Back Room" Deal that’s being promoted looks like a Trojan horse approach. "Just get it through the door and by the time they stop to really examine what its carrying it will be too late"...
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Nothing per se. Just like there is nothing wrong with highsec, lowsec, or wormholes being attractive. All different types of space should be attractive for folks seeking that type of experience. So people should go to nullsec to be able to participate in player controlled alliances, to control large swaths of space, and for large scale pvp fleet combat. People should go to lowsec for small gang pvp and faction warfare, and some measure of security on gates. People should go to wormholes for the cloak and dagger mechanics, the secrecy, and the chance to be part of a small group to make an impact. And people should go to highsec for relative safety and security, relaxed collaborative PvE, wardecc mechanics, and robust trade hubs.

And that's great. Now the problem is that nullsec has become stagnant and boring. Supercapital fleets sit in drydock, people dock up to avoid fleet fights, and everyone is just looking for turkey shoots. The large powerblocs fail to engage each other, and everyone is kinda bored and depressed.

The problem is that the suggested changes do nothing to fundamentally change that malady. Instead, they just serve to consolidate sov and make farming easier. It's basically bribing people to come to nullsec without making it any more exciting, and that just doesn't make sense.

What is really needed are fundamental changes to get the large powerblocs to meaningfully engage each other in supercapital combat, to actually have some of the major alliances collapse, and to radically shake things up throughout. Stop having a design where the natural progression is towards larger and larger alliances that are too risk averse for the kind of total war that nullsec should be about.

70% of the CFC losses come from non-sov holders, so owning sov isn't a pre-requisite of fighting. My question is, can you point at an organization that isn't killing CFC now and with this suggestion will start killing CFC? Where are they?


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Are you saying that there would be no requirement for the CFC to stay together if you get the sort of sov-system you are after?

There would be no pressing need like today, it will not mean we break up though.

The aim of this change is not to smash up the coalitions its to shrink our empire dramatically so that there is room for others to enter null.

In NPC null, in lowsec, in WH and in HS.

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70% of the CFC losses come from non-sov holders, so owning sov isn't a pre-requisite of fighting. My question is, can you point at an organization that isn't killing CFC now and with this suggestion will start killing CFC? Where are they?

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The point of fixing sovereignty is not conformity for your Grr Goons narrative, nobody is going to hand you out a magic bullet or do your work for you, especially not CCP. You should not expect CCP to change the game according to what you want, just because you personally cannot reach that point in game. Why should CCP personally bail you out?

'Little guys' do not hate it, they are behind this initiative. 90% of null, not just sov empires, have found a common ground, and came up with this. Anyone else objecting are hard to take seriously because of the tinfoil on their heads and their hilarious inability to represent a viable alternative suggestion.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

well that certainly sounds interesting

I'm pretty sure if we were NRDS, everyone would just be red or blue.

And anyway, the problem is that sov mechanics favour enormous groups by their very nature, so creating super coalitions is simply the best way to efficiently hold space. NRDS wouldn't change who owns the space, it would just be allowing free renting. It may work for proviblock since they life in space so terrible that nearly nobody wants it, but it really wouldn't work with serious null alliances.

Provi Bloc opposition is an evolved group who decided it was 'corrupt' by being in that space. They seeded their own pew pew just by being NRDS. Being seen as a manageable target plays in to it as well but in any CFC pilot project with NRDS space, that can be in the benefit of CFC. Most neutrals won't see CFC as a valid target to oppose because they are seen as too strong to beat. They might go there to get a piece of you but they won't bite off more than they can chew, like what happens in Provi a lot.