Player Features and Ideas Discussion

While speeding up SP gain seems ham-fisted (at best) there is probably something to be said for reducing the amount of time wasted on low level support skills.

Yes it is nice we all have stuff to waste time on years into the future but the amount of time wasted on random **** when you start out is a clear barrier to people enjoying this game. Being of use on Day 1 scarcely seems relevant when you're still basically confined to frigates/begging FCs to let you use your T1-fit Cruiser on Day 90.

It has a nicer term...its called niche gaming. Eve caters to a niche crowd. A very viable business strategy. Eve will not have the client base WoW ever will (not a bust on ccp, no one will in the near future, blizzard I have to admit knows how to work the crowd real good to draw in the huddled masses, their game just ho's itself out to get there is all...good or bad thing a debate I suppose).
WOW chosen as the textbook mainstream game....so textbook most games are weighed as to how much a clone they are to it. Now in the next textbook we learn about the Korean MMO.

Which if people think eve grinds....they need to fire a few of these up. The 2x xp weekends are not rewards...they are the devs stringing no life neckbeards along on a sick psychological experiment. How long can we keep grown people locked in their rooms on a weekend they should be out doing fun stuff in rl...voluntarily.


Eve however tends to pick up the players who don't like the more mainstream. When you aren't poaching 500,000 wow players slaved to the game...well then go for the 10's of thousands who said that is not me. Pays the bills, I will call it a success.

A new player in a frigate with 1 weeks worth of skills can make a difference in all sorts of ways. A dozen new players in battle ventures can kill much bigger targets. A single new player can make oodles of isk in exploration if they take the time to learn how (and I mean player skills not chracter skills).

The biggest barrier to a player doing something is the player themself. It is perfectly right that someone should have to spend time learning how to fly a BS for instance, or a HAC, or whichever tech II ship you prefer. In the meantime they should be flying in tch I equivalents to learn how to handle the modules that asupport thewir playstyle. Or even determine that the playstyle they *thought* they liked really isn';t for them way before they invest months into training.

As for industry that really should take a long time to train up. It is no simple taks for the player or their character to learn how to make isk through industry.

Simple answer: The SP rate and system is absolutely fine, and that covers rate of accrual, implants and remaps.

I sincerely believe that people who suggest following every market trend because "everybody else is doing it and therefore it would be a totally awesome idea to try to get into an oversaturated marked we have no experience in and duke it out with the big guys instead of ruling our own niche with an iron fist" should be found legally incompetent and exempted from voting rights, social responsibilities, be assigned a legal caretaker and subjected to annual competency evaluation until it is found that a person in question does not any longer represent a grave danger to the existence of mankind.

Did you ever hear the story of the 67924th new player who got bored and ****** off after his trial expired?

I've never yet flown anything larger than the myrm, smaller ships are by far the most fun in my experience to the point that I have absolutely no desire to fly a BS. Unless they ever redisgn the visuals of the domi and turn it into some vicious looking brute. Currently I'm having the most fun flying DED 4/10's in a gila which any character can fly after probably a few weeks training. But wait...then they would demand more isk for free too...

I eagerly await it's arrival. And yes I am the kind of player who will refuse (or decide to) fly a ship purely on its looks :D Style over Substance always appealed to me...

If your friends abandoned eve then it wasn't the game for them, just the same as I don't like instant gratification type games particularly.

15 mill SP was about 6 months to me and if I'm totally honest I still don't know how to fully utilize the skills I have in all circumstances. Player learning takes longer than character skill learning in all cases I think.

Limited by isk? So you should be, it is something earnt through whatever means posible. That is the point in Eve. I was plexing my account within a month by luck and judgement combined (and before PLEX got to silly prices).

New player in a dread? Go to the character bazaar...then no doubt quit when your real money investment goes poof in a ball of flame aas you as a player have no idea how to use and support such a ship.

All RPG games take years. It is a different investment in the gamethat Eve requires which is exactly why it isn't necessarily the gam for most people. I also don't recall having to wait hours for any skill required for the tutorials, and even if I did I simply ran one of the other career branches whilst waiting. I also ran in lvl IV mission in an incursus alongside a corpie in a domi for the experience after 3 days in eve. A new pilot can *always* make a difference in pretty much any area.

Yay, I get to go through this, line by line.

1: Yay for the games designed to attract those with ADHD, EvE is designed to attract those with CDO. (CDO is like OCD, just arranged alphabetically)

2: Sure, this would be good, if you applied it retroactively. So I've been here for 7 years, that's 84 months, so I get 840 million SP. That would be about every single skill in the game, thanks.

3: Good way to contradict yourself, and on the same line even. If new players are bored, they need to stop watching rocks spin in space and go find something to kill.

4: People buying more expensive ships to cry about when they lose them is more like it. Just page back in the history of this forum, there's tons of posts by people who came to forums to cry that they lost their shiny new battleship that they just trained to level 1 in.

5: Good, this isn't the game for them if they can't handle a bit of boredom. Back to LoL with them, and good riddance to their short attention spans.

6: The basic skills to get into pretty much anything in this game takes a matter of days to train. If you get bored with what you're currently doing, there's nothing stopping you from doing something else. Entry level exploration skills, a couple days. Entry level fleet pvp as a tackler, a couple days. Entry level staring at spinning rocks, you start with, and they even give you a moderately decent ship to do it with if you re-run the tutorial missions.

7: Cybernetics to level 1 takes about 10 minutes, and a full set of +3 implants costs is pretty cheap. That, combined with a remap into intel/wisdom, will give you about 1800 SP/min, which will give you 15 million SP a hell of a lot faster than what you think. Regardless of which, not all corps have a 15mil SP min, especially the corps willing to train noobs on how to play.

8: Subs is never a valid argument for anything. As has already been stated, EvE is not a mainstream game, and your attempts to try and make it into a mainstream game will be what truly causes the death of EvE.

9: Speeding up the process of getting noobs who don't know what they're doing to lose ships they can only get by selling PLEX is not a good idea, not matter how you put it.

10: I simply refer to point #9.

11: Yes they do, and EvE does indeed change. However, like getting skills and moving into new areas of gameplay, change in EvE is slow.

12: Do you know of any other game, besides the prostitute WoW, that has been as active as EvE has been for going on 12 years?

13: It is a great first impression. It gives you the impression that EvE takes patience.

Why not. It opens options to fly doctrine with many groups in the game - this opens content.

If a group is going to make combined ops with another group and they decide to go in amarr battleships doctrine. You can fly caldari battleships. This closes Your participation unless You want to go in frig that will do nothing in large scale battle.

Why if I train 1 battleship or cruiser I need to train 3 other just to have option of having fun?

Lets say You want to change corp/aliance - You need to adapt new doctrines.

Doctrine fits are there for a reason - lets say You have ishtar but no t2 drone link. Your drone range is not able to fire on your enemy over distance your fleet is at. Your friends fire - You don't. Your friends go faster - you tag kilometers behind. You are not always useful.

We all know many ppl playing eve have pledged to starcitizen and elite. We will see if they stop playing eve what will happen then.