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Everyone in Highsec Should Be Easier to Gank

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Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#81 - 2011-12-11 07:27:51 UTC
Rex Glendower wrote:
this thread cracks me up :P with the new t3 battle cruisers more carebear tears incoming


YES my brother! Let us go forth and collect moar carebear tears in a video game because that makes us really...well, really lame, never mind...Big smile

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Rex Glendower
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#82 - 2011-12-11 08:15:33 UTC
Nullbeard Rager wrote:
Rex Glendower wrote:
this thread cracks me up :P with the new t3 battle cruisers more carebear tears incoming


YES my brother! Let us go forth and collect moar carebear tears in a video game because that makes us really...well, really lame, never mind...Big smile




think you misunderstood stood my point .. i am not nor ever will be a ganker of any sort the point is the new ships seem very suited to the task of ganking half the armor cheap and can fit 8 large weapons my statement was a prediction not a invitation :p
Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#83 - 2011-12-11 18:27:01 UTC
Rex Glendower wrote:
Nullbeard Rager wrote:
Rex Glendower wrote:
this thread cracks me up :P with the new t3 battle cruisers more carebear tears incoming


YES my brother! Let us go forth and collect moar carebear tears in a video game because that makes us really...well, really lame, never mind...Big smile




think you misunderstood stood my point .. i am not nor ever will be a ganker of any sort the point is the new ships seem very suited to the task of ganking half the armor cheap and can fit 8 large weapons my statement was a prediction not a invitation :p


Aah indeed.../bow

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2011-12-11 19:01:57 UTC
Nullbeard Rager wrote:
Aah indeed.../bow

you called someone lame and then typed the above on the internet

the irony is staggering

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Proteus Maximus
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2011-12-11 23:28:54 UTC
Quote:
Highsec is boring: nothing really ever
happens. No grand battles, no shifts of territory, nothing.


Well anyone who residides in null sec should feel right at home then hu. You know with al of the NIP agreements out in "uncontrolled" space.
just saying.

If Goons were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay, and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.

Nullbeard Rager
Doomheim
#86 - 2011-12-12 01:18:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nullbeard Rager
Weaselior wrote:
Nullbeard Rager wrote:
Aah indeed.../bow

you called someone lame and then typed the above on the internet

the irony is staggering


Clearly you entertain some fantasy that you are witty and funny.

It's good to have dreams I guess.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#87 - 2011-12-12 03:59:41 UTC
Killing missioners and incursion runners is great fun, don't get me wrong, but what about all these highsec research and manufacturing POSes?

Because of the immense difficulty of killing a POS with a limited number of people and no capitals highsec industrialists are getting away with putting significant assets in space in order to make money without those assets ever being in danger of being destroyed. Nobody likes a large faction tower covered in ECM batteries run by a 2 man corp that you can't kill due to the horrible war mechanics.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2011-12-12 14:47:04 UTC
Nullbeard Rager wrote:
Clearly you entertain some fantasy that you are witty and funny.

It's good to have dreams I guess.


i would find it far more concerning if you thought i was witty and funny

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2011-12-12 14:48:02 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Killing missioners and incursion runners is great fun, don't get me wrong, but what about all these highsec research and manufacturing POSes?

Because of the immense difficulty of killing a POS with a limited number of people and no capitals highsec industrialists are getting away with putting significant assets in space in order to make money without those assets ever being in danger of being destroyed. Nobody likes a large faction tower covered in ECM batteries run by a 2 man corp that you can't kill due to the horrible war mechanics.


To deal with pos, you need to fix empire war mechanics which are a joke. Also pos that go offline should be shootable to get rid of the detrius of failed corporations that will never re-online the thing.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Signal11th
#90 - 2011-12-12 14:51:06 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Killing missioners and incursion runners is great fun, don't get me wrong, but what about all these highsec research and manufacturing POSes?

Because of the immense difficulty of killing a POS with a limited number of people and no capitals highsec industrialists are getting away with putting significant assets in space in order to make money without those assets ever being in danger of being destroyed. Nobody likes a large faction tower covered in ECM batteries run by a 2 man corp that you can't kill due to the horrible war mechanics.


To deal with pos, you need to fix empire war mechanics which are a joke. Also pos that go offline should be shootable to get rid of the detrius of failed corporations that will never re-online the thing.



+1

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2011-12-16 23:30:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Rex Glendower wrote:
Nullbeard Rager wrote:
Rex Glendower wrote:
this thread cracks me up :P with the new t3 battle cruisers more carebear tears incoming


YES my brother! Let us go forth and collect moar carebear tears in a video game because that makes us really...well, really lame, never mind...Big smile




think you misunderstood stood my point .. i am not nor ever will be a ganker of any sort the point is the new ships seem very suited to the task of ganking half the armor cheap and can fit 8 large weapons my statement was a prediction not a invitation :p

The new battlecruisers are not making suicide ganking easier, they're simply balancing with the new insurance policy. If anything, you lose a bit more from ganking with a tier 3 BC than previously with a battleship. And though they may have a bit better of a turret setup, they can't use drones to help the gank.

I support the OP's point. I wouldn't go too far with it; since missioning is more interactive than botting, it should offer more protection. Perhaps one way to reduce mission botting is to make level 4 missions too difficult for a single player flying anything short of officer fit, and rather to balance them for two players both in a tech 1 ratting ship with some tech 2 modules. That way, players will find ingenious new ways to complete the missions more easily, while botters will struggle with trying to get their already complicated bots to actually work together, and a lot of them will probably just give up and get an easily-configured mining bot.

I also think that the Angel Cartel should be changed to use almost only explosive and kinetic damage. I love fighting rats that have 2 damage types and 2 resist holes because then I can fit my ship specifically for that, and it makes the mission easier. If that makes me more open to ganks, so be it. It's not like I'm AFK when I mission, so I'm not really afraid.

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Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund
Goonswarm Federation
#92 - 2012-02-08 20:45:41 UTC
I would like to know what csm candidates feel about this key issue
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#93 - 2012-02-08 21:04:15 UTC
I imagine he thinks its bad to necro threads.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#94 - 2012-02-08 21:05:20 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
To deal with pos, you need to fix empire war mechanics which are a joke. Also pos that go offline should be shootable to get rid of the detrius of failed corporations that will never re-online the thing.

What? That's horrible, CONCORD should clean up that kind of litter.

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Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2012-02-08 21:13:32 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
To deal with pos, you need to fix empire war mechanics which are a joke. Also pos that go offline should be shootable to get rid of the detrius of failed corporations that will never re-online the thing.

What? That's horrible, CONCORD should clean up that kind of litter.


Fellow Goon Capsuleer, why should CONCORD worry itself with cleaning the space lanes when plenty of poor spacers lick their lips at the thought of opening fire with their Salvager beams on the wreck of a decommissioned Privately Owned Starbase?

Nay, CONCORD should leave the Empire constellations alone and concentrate on true threats to galactic stability, such as Sansha Kuvakei and his brainwashed goon (note the lack of capital G) hordes.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us

Tomytronic
Perkone
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-02-08 21:17:22 UTC
concord should be killable and should drop t2 bpos and salvage into t3 parts

support tomytronic for csm!
Dztrgovac
#97 - 2012-02-08 23:59:14 UTC
What was your motto anyway?

"We don't want to ruin the game, we love the game, we want to ruin the game for you".

Any non Goons voting for Goon delegates and proposals are suicidal.
Fractals 4Lyfe
Perkone
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-02-09 19:59:59 UTC
Dztrgovac wrote:
What was your motto anyway?

"We don't want to ruin the game, we love the game, we want to ruin the game for you".

Any non Goons voting for Goon delegates and proposals are suicidal.


Yeah, I've never heard this motto, and whether you like him or not, The Mittani has been pretty influential in getting CCP back on track with actual internet spaceships.

On topic, increasing highsec ganking is a good thing for everyone, including highsec people. Eve is and should be a multiplayer game, and mechanics that encourage people to work together for protection and profit are never bad. No one should be mining alone: it's horribly boring, and not helping anyone else enjoy the game. Much as I find mining horribly boring, highsec mining corps are still better and more enriching for the game than solo miners.
ViperLok
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2012-02-09 21:21:31 UTC
Posting for my support.
Sullivar N
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-02-09 23:00:00 UTC
Remember when everyone was sure that taking away insurance for CONCORD-popped ships was going to reduce the number of ganks? And then it actually increased? Good times.