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IDEA create a solo PVP only system CCP!
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Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#81 - 2011-12-03 03:57:15 UTC
Teh Frog wrote:


tomato1 wrote:
first of alll half of you are trolls childish people like for real....at any rate i think this is a great idea i totally agree with this post to give the choice to engage players will learn what they should engage and what not too people will start to have thoughts in there head like hes probly got this fit point being i think it would be dope ;)))


My god...


I KNOW! That's what I said!
nandodean
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2011-12-03 09:48:13 UTC
agree.. this'd be nice
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#83 - 2011-12-03 09:57:23 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Killstealing wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Meng Ren'Du wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.


You want arena's play WoW


I understand what you are saying, but we are only talking about 1 system out of how many 1,000?



and who are those who are allowed to enter this only system?

if all 50000 online eve player decide to have solo pvp who would you limit who get in and who not?

Make it a null system

close to uh, byx please, or in deklein/fountain


Oh man, and it'll totally have a queue to jump in for your fight at a certain spot, and there'll be titans guarding the line like a huge bouncer, with amarr ships shooting lasers and playing bad techno inside while the gallente ships get hit on by caldari bros and this whole idea is the MOST EPIC PVP IDEA EVER.


moar drivel pl0x ^^

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#84 - 2011-12-03 16:42:46 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:

moar drivel pl0x ^^


Every time you post it's a self fulfilling prophesy of drivel.
XDragX
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2011-12-05 03:51:06 UTC
Called Sisi.
ScheenK
StatiC Ex.
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
#86 - 2011-12-05 21:20:16 UTC
this is ********, sorry m8 but this shouldnt ever happen, and it wont, this takes away the freeness of eve, there is still plenty of solo pvp, and if you want it so bad, then why not make it yourself? if you dont know what that means than gl to you
Xolve
State War Academy
Caldari State
#87 - 2011-12-09 23:28:11 UTC
PvP has always meant player vs. people. It will never change.

Sometimes the 'people' is one player with 5 accounts.. sometimes its a 50 man blob.

It is what it is, and its always fun as long as your winning, as soon as you start losing a few ships bullshit like this starts getting posted.
VIP Ares
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2011-12-12 14:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: VIP Ares
Even this looks appealing at first, there is a big danger. Once you make instanced PvP, it starts destroying world PvP.

And out there, tons of game offer instanced arena/battleground/mini game style PvP.

However, EVE is unique with open world snadbox mode PvP. That should be handled carefully.

http://www.balex.info/index.php/pilot_detail/47623/
Mixu Paatelainen
Eve Refinery
#89 - 2011-12-12 16:00:42 UTC
Denied.
shal ri
Short Bus Window Licker
#90 - 2011-12-12 18:38:04 UTC
after reading all 5 pages here of flame after flame. im sure u already know this is just not goin to happen based on the reponse u have gotten from all the posts.
to give u more of an understanding of how pvp works u have to think of it like gambling. ie theres a drake rattin in the belts of a low sec sys. most common question that comes to mind. is it bait? if it is how many ppl should i expect to drop on top of me? whos is flying the drake based on those in local? does he have a cyno? if i find him want can i do to GTFO if **** hits the fan?

all questions that a pvper aks when hunting for his/her kill. ( this is a solo situation by the way ) as much as u think an area just for solo pvp would be good, it takes away from all those great unknows that can happen in low sec/nul sec. ( null sec sucks btw y ppl even go out there is beyond me really the lag is unreal plus the fights are boring as **** )

yes 1v1s are epic, but wat makes them good is the fact that they even happened with all the unknown factors the are involed with the situation. i refer back to the drake. lets say i find the *** rattin away. im in my myrm ( drone boat that gets a bonus to repp amount if u dont alreadly know ) i point him and start to drop my dps on him. he aggros back. during the whole fight in spamming my d-scan to see if anything in in route to help the drake at the same time im watching local for any jump in to help the poor drake about to die by my hand.

all this is being done while in watching my cap use, drones distance from target, how fast he is moving and the dmg he is taking. next common question that comes to mind. ok i have him half shields now is he calling for back up? is the back up a cyno? is there a cloaky ship in route? how many cap boosters do i have left? do i want to sell his loot or keep it? i wonder if i can get his pod?

drakes dies, pod shows up on the overview and pod dies not long after. collect loot. collect corpse. dock make contract of corpse back to player for 10 mill and send kill survey.
none of these things can happen in a closed off box arena wheer everything is controlled. try to understand that this is pvp. being outnumbered is the point. coming out on top when the odds are against u is better then a fair *** fest fight where rules are applied.

hence y this is a bad idea.
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2011-12-12 23:43:27 UTC
shal ri wrote:
after reading all 5 pages here of flame after flame. im sure u already know this is just not goin to happen based on the reponse u have gotten from all the posts.
to give u more of an understanding of how pvp works u have to think of it like gambling. ie theres a drake rattin in the belts of a low sec sys. most common question that comes to mind. is it bait? if it is how many ppl should i expect to drop on top of me? whos is flying the drake based on those in local? does he have a cyno? if i find him want can i do to GTFO if **** hits the fan?

all questions that a pvper aks when hunting for his/her kill. ( this is a solo situation by the way ) as much as u think an area just for solo pvp would be good, it takes away from all those great unknows that can happen in low sec/nul sec. ( null sec sucks btw y ppl even go out there is beyond me really the lag is unreal plus the fights are boring as **** )

yes 1v1s are epic, but wat makes them good is the fact that they even happened with all the unknown factors the are involed with the situation. i refer back to the drake. lets say i find the *** rattin away. im in my myrm ( drone boat that gets a bonus to repp amount if u dont alreadly know ) i point him and start to drop my dps on him. he aggros back. during the whole fight in spamming my d-scan to see if anything in in route to help the drake at the same time im watching local for any jump in to help the poor drake about to die by my hand.

all this is being done while in watching my cap use, drones distance from target, how fast he is moving and the dmg he is taking. next common question that comes to mind. ok i have him half shields now is he calling for back up? is the back up a cyno? is there a cloaky ship in route? how many cap boosters do i have left? do i want to sell his loot or keep it? i wonder if i can get his pod?

drakes dies, pod shows up on the overview and pod dies not long after. collect loot. collect corpse. dock make contract of corpse back to player for 10 mill and send kill survey.
none of these things can happen in a closed off box arena wheer everything is controlled. try to understand that this is pvp. being outnumbered is the point. coming out on top when the odds are against u is better then a fair *** fest fight where rules are applied.

hence y this is a bad idea.


I really appreciate this post.

I also totally agree with pretty much everything you say...I'm looking to use the 1vs1 system as a stepping stone to improve my skill and confidence enough to venture into 0.0/low sec space.

Let me try an analogy to see if I can convey my point better.

I want to learn to play baskeball, but the only games that are available are on a streetball court that is pretty a free for all.

Think of it this way. If EvE was basketball court and the rule of playing on that court is you have to wager your basketball shoes to play on the court. And depending on the time of day your opponent could be 1 other player or up to 5, and you don't know until you step on the court who is going to put up their shoes as well.

Now if you have friends that you team with I imagine it would be quite fun to step on the court 5x and have 1 or 2 opponents to play against. But people aren't totally dumb and unless they have something as a possible edge they are unlikely to continue to put themself in no win situations. (hence you don't step on the court alone) and in Eve except for some curiosity you don't go to 0.0 space alone. especially without any edge.

I admit I don't have any advantages, I'm getting older and my reflexes are fine, but not as good as they used to be. But i can learn, but not at the rate of a pair of shoes everytime I step on the court...

I like many other newer players don't have any advantages, and until I play the game for a another 2 years won't have any advantages. I'm too old to and have too many entertainment options to waiting in line for two years. The idea of buying a high skill toon goes against my concept and growth philosphy that I follow with almost all the games i've played. From what I can tell, my best option to give me some edge (Improving my 1v1 pvp skill) is a system like i've decribed in previous post.

Sorry if some of you are offended that I'm not interested in giving you another easy kill, but being the serial victim isn't my style.

I hope I didn't lose too many of you switching between Eve proper and my basketball analogy.
VIP Ares
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2011-12-13 07:10:18 UTC
There is a test server where you can play "practice" games.

http://www.balex.info/index.php/pilot_detail/47623/
shal ri
Short Bus Window Licker
#93 - 2011-12-14 16:22:39 UTC
i understand that dieing all the time sucks yes but that is how u learn wat to do and wat not to do in pvp. when i started i died quite a few times. but after every death/kill i learned wat i did wrong and improved on my tactics for the next fight. it doesnt take 2 years to get the epic skill set or even experience to be really good at pvp.
ie. i have 2 new players in my corp. 1 came from null sec with null tactics and ****** fits that he tried to use in low sec. needless to say he didnt fair very well in the first, second and third fights. however he knew wat he did wrong and impoved on his tactics. the second new guy i have was a carebear. he more or less said he wanted to do pvp but got gang banged everytime he tried.

i told him to run with me in low sec and that i would show him the basics of pvp. the first night we went to low sec he got 3 kills. (sadly no pods) just on his first run in a proper pvp ship with the proper fit in the right locations set for the ships.( it was a 2 man gang that we were running)

solo really isn't wat u want to start with when gettin into pvp. u will fail almost everytime u step into low sec without the proper knowledge of how it works. solo is more for those that know wat they are doin and want to challenge the odds/laugh at the blobs that try to kill u with a hotdrop.

all in all u want to find urself a good set of pvpers that will show u the ropes and get u started with fits/tactics to use for the type of flying style u are geared towards. theres really no other way to do it other then that if u want to get up to speed in at least 3 to 6 months of play. that being said, u will die. alot. just shake it off like a used condom and move on the that next 1 night stand thats just waiting around the corner.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#94 - 2011-12-14 17:51:39 UTC  |  Edited by: FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Is anyone else seeing the irony of comments? "Eve is a sandbox.... blah blah. You must be free to do what you want.".

"BUT YOU MUST DO WHAT WE WANT!"

Any arenas (which I don't think should be kept in one system) would be good because it would encourage people to fight and give them a taste for PvP.

Amazingly enough there is a feature here which maintains the sandbox experience you don't have to go in to these arenas!

Jeez seriously a would bet a hell of a lot of money that if you had these as part of the opening tutorials for new players you would see a huge increase in players coming to the Eve universe. Straight of the bat you have inter player activities thus increasing the inter player relationships in the game.

Oh wait... no this wont work for some obscure ridiculous reason which can't really be explained. ARGH!

How about anyone interested in this starts talking in the events forum so we can sort this out cause I am really up for this.

This thread now open for it,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46489&find=unread
Alara IonStorm
#95 - 2011-12-15 10:43:12 UTC
I would enjoy an AT type combat system.
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#96 - 2011-12-15 19:54:52 UTC
Yeah an arena is a cool idea because the current high-sec dueling mechanics are kinda mickey-mouse.

I mean you steal the guy's can, then he gets a good two seconds advantage on you for shooting first, and you can't shoot back immediately because of fail-high-sec-concord-rules.

So like,

Pilot1 right clicks, invites Pilot2 to a duel

Pilot2 accepts

they both enter the arena and have kill rights on each other

FUNNER THAN THE CURRENT MECHANICS

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#97 - 2011-12-19 03:57:57 UTC
Cartheron Crust wrote:
Join Red Versus Blue. Smile


Go.

Then annoy them until you get kicked. Then come back here and whine more.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#98 - 2011-12-19 04:00:49 UTC
Meng Ren'Du wrote:
I don't know all that much about Eve.


Correct.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Axel Korgain
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#99 - 2011-12-19 05:07:59 UTC
This is all so very wrong. You aren't thinking it through properly. Imagine the fun of kicking around badass gladiatorial 1 vs 1 pilots in a real fight.

I totally understand where he's coming from because you go looking for a fight and you find nothing. Someone said something about Drake on belt.... Drake on belt... where? I'd like to see someone at a belt.

I'm thinking of it as fishing though. I just have to learn the art of it. I'll get better at finding the fish.

I just don't see the mutual exclusiveness here. I was thinking this very same thing today and imagining a mobile tournament with ads at login so you don't forget. I actually came to the forums to find the scheduled frigate tournament cos I am getting tired of looking for fights that aren't there.

So at this point the best method is to fight corp mates. Of which I have none because I can't join corporations with no information to base my decision on.

All that said I am not giving up and will see folks out there somewhere. I just have to get better at finding fights.

Someone talked about population levels... I CANT GIVE AWAY MY 60 DAY GAME TIME VOUCHER. All of my friends and relatives who would consider playing EVE have already or talked so someone who has and they have heard that it is full of sick evil people and they you lose all you have worked for in someone else's pretty explosion.

The potential players are not limitless. A person I know started out in EVE opened a yellow container very early on was shot and closed it down and never looked back. That didn't happen to me cos I was too busy trading.... both avenues caused there to be NO low level pvp or any other kind of combat.

I'm net editing or going into my post in too much detail it is what it is and I am who I am.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#100 - 2011-12-19 05:37:59 UTC
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:
Is anyone else seeing the irony of comments? "Eve is a sandbox.... blah blah. You must be free to do what you want.".

"BUT YOU MUST DO WHAT WE WANT!"



We're not against people setting up their own 1v1 friendly area (see all posts linking to RvB).


Eve is a Sandbox. Don't try to get CCP to add a slide for me to bark my shin on.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon