EVE General Discussion

Well done CCP!

Spanish is the second most spoken language in the world, but instead of translating the interface, you choose to close the existing channels, the only place where spanish speakers could find some help... Surely this way, the Hispanic community will grow dramatically.

Well done CCP! Amaizng work!

/ironic

And the odd thing is I and others with me have sugggested this exact thing in this thread before , so seems a lot of the players can see the easy solution here.And yet , CCP seems this idea is not worthy so decided to just remove it all together.

The question here really is , are you more afraid of new/trial people joining these channels and not accepting the MOTD as a rule that it is not moderated and as such quit the game because of trolling/words OR do you feel that a complete lack of these channels will keep a lot of players from not exteding their trial period.

CCP's cash is on the first one , my cash is on the latter one , newbro's who don't have english as their main language will leave the game a lot easier as it is harder for them to get answers to their questions in their own language.And that's jjust in the channel itself , i think a big amount of players also find their first corporation in these types of channels to keep their learning of eve as a whole mostly in their native language before setting foot out in the eve world .

Anyway that's the last i'll say about it .CCP hasn't repsonded yet after creating this thread and i doubt they even feel the need to as it's only reached page 14 so far.And why should it reach more pages , it will mostly hurt the newbro's.

Who needs fresh blood eh , we can keep this game running on 10 accounts each for many many years to come right .. right ?Well i mean you guys , i allready scaled down from 6 accounts to 1 in the last half year ...

It is the only way now is to conform and wait to see how these changes will occur in the game.

Many of you will remember ISD Eshtir who recently resigned from his position as ISD CCL (Forums moderation) Vice Admral.
He also gave a statement on this matter.

Oh my, this thread escalated faster than I thought.

Well, it's bad move from CCP that they made such a grave change without even consulting it with players nor CMS.
No information in changelog (as if someone without decent English skill would read changelog anyway...), few days to next expansion that sets everything in stone, no information in soon-to-be deleted channels; everything sounds just pretty sneaky to me.

CCP has, for sure, no resources to deal with monitoring every available language chat channel, most of them are dead anyway.
For moment I though `Damn, it's good change after all; if there is so much trolling on language channels where newbies gather en masse such trolling, bad language and other issues could definitely daunt young players. So deleting is good.`
After reading through every post in this thread I changed my opinion a little.

One of the fastest solution is to divide language channels into two groups, officially moderated and not moderated (or moderated from time to time with some help from google traslate) as Endo Dy said.
I like this one because you can have everything what it is now without hurting anyone and make young users realize, that chats can be dangerous place too.

Furthermore, that legacy chat system needs to be thoroughly revised if not rewritten from the scratch. Looking for chats and joining makes eyes bleed. But not only UI side, having this issue we can modify core of this mechanism. Chats could have "unofficiall" moderators who could moderate in their free time. Of course it could bring some issues like banning without good reason etc. but when detected such moderator could face serious responsibility for his wrongdoings. Such moderator could use his command to publicly warn user, to mute him, kick him or even ban for interval of time. We need better (inline) reporting system, sending report for things like spam / racism / illegal content / other things stated in EULA. Report with context, of course, context and addictionally dozen of previous entries of this user. Reporting should take into account not only negative status of reported characted but whole user account (no pun intended).

For trolling, personally I don't know what to do. Every person can troll. Trolling is an essence of the Internet. You can't trust random post or `fact` you're able to read. Everyone can troll some newbie in unmoderated channel, everyone can pretend to be this newbie as well. It's the same issue as in engineering. If you try to create more idiot-proof solution, the universe will create better idiots. Being an idiot, unfortunately, doesn't break the law. Internet doesn't have nor age nor common sense restrictions. We can only wait for them to get smarter or let the Internet darwinism work.

Well, this post is longer than I thought it would be, but yeah, overall CCP, you've made a mistake. Please, take your time and don't rush every change into TQ.

PS

Poles are definitely Amarr-like, I can ensure

You guys never learn, huh? Summer of Rage *really* didn't teach you anything about arrogance and not listening to players?

Ok, you want to curbstomp noobs not speaking your 5 supported languages, who desperately look for a place to start? As you desire, my master.

My only doubt: why you feel this need to always be the worst obstacle for EVE to flourish?

>Tinfoil hat mode on>

If financials were going bad, CCP could focus on improving revenue. As the game in its current state is poorly attractive to noobs when compared to newer titles, improving the game for noobs is not likely to improve revenue as much as compared to other stuff that may call back bittervets.

Thus CCP is killing the future growth to pay the present debts... a move that 10% of the times is bold and predates resurreciton, and 90% of time is just the prelude to death by ennui.

>Tinfoil hat mode off>

We veterans will set up our channels if we want to. But since September 30 of 2014, new players who don't speak a supported language can pretty much go to hell if they need help.

Thanks a lot!

Regarding notifications within the channels:

English: None at all
French: None at all
German: GM Bigglesworth replaced the motd at around 18:15 with a link to the translation of the OP
Japanese: motd not updated (if google translate is right)
Russian: Link to the translation of the OP by CCP Leeloo
Chinese: motd not updated (google translate again)

Other Channels (didn't check all): None at all

CCP! During the fanfest, you said the new release schedule allows you to postpone updates. The time to use it is now! Listen to the CSM, the group YOU set up, before you make a huge mistake. This of course needs time. WE have "coped" with these trolls for 5+ years, SURELY we can manage 6 more weeks