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Hobojamming Fix [Dictors]
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Roger Binchiette
I know We'll be the indians
#61 - 2014-09-29 16:41:20 UTC
Interdictors gain Interdiction nullification
ArrowLaunching a Interdiction Sphere creates aggression


No to both. We don't need more ships immune to bubbles. If anything, remove the interceptor ability to fly straight through one. I see no reason why they get that advantage and other ships do not (apart from t3s).

Agro should not be applied, unless it catches something. If a ship tries to warp in the bubble, then agro would be applied.

There. Your problem is solved.
GeeShizzle MacCloud
#62 - 2014-09-29 17:13:38 UTC
Veng3ance wrote:
Austrene Kanenald wrote:

What the hell does docking in sov null or being a small group have to do with npc null stations? 1 person could hobo jam, if they wanted to.


Here let me break it down for you. This has happened to Black Legion multiple times just so you know.

Black Legion is staged in K3J in Venal lets say.

Pandemic Legion is hobojamming our station with a dictor.

Black Legion CAN NOT go hobojam Pandemic Legion because they live in a sov station.

Here is another example.

Black Legion is staged in X-7

Goonswarm is hobojamming the station.

Black Legion CAN NOT go hobojam Goonswarm because they live in a sov station.

Notice how the small group can not do the hobojamming on equal terms with the larger alliances?


Now to make matters even worse (And this has happened before).

We are in K3J, we are being hobojammed. BUT we can use bombers to clear the undock for example meaning the situation is not horribly bad.

However, there is a Sniping Loki who keeps warping around station and popping bombers.

He is very very hard to catch, and also the dictor is invulnerable (from hobojamming tactics).

What do you do about this situation?

TO MAKE IT EVEN WORSE.

Same situation. You are now in X-7.

The dock radius on the station is so large you can't cloak your bombers when preparing to bomb the undock.

The sniper is now here.

The situation is ****** and two people are locking down your entire cap fleet.

What do you do?


This is the kind of bullshit that smaller groups are dealing with in NPC null.


then how about you get a slice of sov null and then all these issues will be solved. ohh thats right.. any one or all of 3 reasons. You dont like dominion sov (quite rightly so) and are protest voting by not playing dominion sov, You cannot gain your own sov because you lack the ability to not backstab your friends when it suits you (yes i know Black legion held sov for a time) or you simply dont have the persistence or willpower to hold your own space.
Sabine Vynneve
Paisti
#63 - 2014-09-29 17:43:01 UTC
Burneddi wrote:
Austrene Kanenald wrote:

Sabine Vynneve wrote:
Pamplie wrote:
They could change it to make the probe explode when the person docks.

This is genuinely a very good idea, CCP implement this please

It's a nice idea. But how would it work? I was under the impression that those probes weren't linked to your ship/launcher after deployment, because the launcher literally only deploys and onlines it.

They used to get you on killmails and give you aggression. I doubt they just completely axed all the code that connected them to your ship back then.

They still do appear on killmails.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#64 - 2014-09-29 17:46:06 UTC
Veng3ance wrote:
Austrene Kanenald wrote:

What the hell does docking in sov null or being a small group have to do with npc null stations? 1 person could hobo jam, if they wanted to.


Here let me break it down for you. This has happened to Black Legion multiple times just so you know.

Black Legion is staged in K3J in Venal lets say.

Pandemic Legion is hobojamming our station with a dictor.

Black Legion CAN NOT go hobojam Pandemic Legion because they live in a sov station.

Here is another example.

Black Legion is staged in X-7

Goonswarm is hobojamming the station.

Black Legion CAN NOT go hobojam Goonswarm because they live in a sov station.

Notice how the small group can not do the hobojamming on equal terms with the larger alliances?


Now to make matters even worse (And this has happened before).

We are in K3J, we are being hobojammed. BUT we can use bombers to clear the undock for example meaning the situation is not horribly bad.

However, there is a Sniping Loki who keeps warping around station and popping bombers.

He is very very hard to catch, and also the dictor is invulnerable (from hobojamming tactics).

What do you do about this situation?

TO MAKE IT EVEN WORSE.

Same situation. You are now in X-7.

The dock radius on the station is so large you can't cloak your bombers when preparing to bomb the undock.

The sniper is now here.

The situation is ****** and two people are locking down your entire cap fleet.

What do you do?


This is the kind of bullshit that smaller groups are dealing with in NPC null.


You could go take and hold some sovereign space. Of course then you would not be able to have a totally impregnable base you could never lose. Can't have it both ways.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Fraternity.
#65 - 2014-09-29 17:51:30 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
Hobojamming is when a Interdictor repeatedly undocks bubbles the undock of a NPC station and then redocks.

Change
ArrowInterdictors gain Interdiction nullification
ArrowLaunching a Interdiction Sphere creates aggression

EzLyfe EzGame


Won't people just adapt and do :

1- Undock
2- Bubble
3- Insta off station (they are nullified anyway with your change)
4- Warp to a serie of safe to always be in warp while the 1 minute timer expire
5- Warp at 0 on a docking BM to insta dock
6- Dock
7- **** up local
8- Go to 1

All you do is put a delay for the aggression timer to expire so they can re dock to start the cycle back again.


Yes are probably correct. However in that time the undock can be bombed. So you say well you can do that now right?

People do this now:

1 Undock
2 Bubble
3 Repeat every 10 seconds.

A bomber can only launch bombs every 2 minutes. So as you can see there is quite a disparity.


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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#66 - 2014-09-29 17:56:46 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I just learned of this tactic and think it's hilarious (actually LoL'd) , yeah sounds like it needs to die in a fire.



It IS funny lol, frustrating as all hell when you are in a capital ship and want to undock of course. That just makes it funnier. The 'cure' is to jsut stage out of a low sec station and /or just log your caps off in space.

I just want to be able to smart bomb null sec station undocks so bad when that happens lol.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-09-29 18:21:29 UTC
Manfred Sideous wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
Hobojamming is when a Interdictor repeatedly undocks bubbles the undock of a NPC station and then redocks.

Change
ArrowInterdictors gain Interdiction nullification
ArrowLaunching a Interdiction Sphere creates aggression

EzLyfe EzGame


Won't people just adapt and do :

1- Undock
2- Bubble
3- Insta off station (they are nullified anyway with your change)
4- Warp to a serie of safe to always be in warp while the 1 minute timer expire
5- Warp at 0 on a docking BM to insta dock
6- Dock
7- **** up local
8- Go to 1

All you do is put a delay for the aggression timer to expire so they can re dock to start the cycle back again.


Yes are probably correct. However in that time the undock can be bombed. So you say well you can do that now right?

People do this now:

1 Undock
2 Bubble
3 Repeat every 10 seconds.

A bomber can only launch bombs every 2 minutes. So as you can see there is quite a disparity.




A dude alone could still do it every 1 minute and 10 seconds thus still out bubbling your bomber. Oh so you have more bomber? Cool, let's bring more hobos. 2 hobos can bubble every 35 seconds if they keep it tight, let's make it 40 seconds because staying in perfect coordination would be hard. You can still bomb/shoot that right? 10 hobos! We now bubble your undock faster than every 10 seconds and still **** off your potentially much larger fleet. Trust me, if it's strategically important to keep you hobojammed, people will put the effort to keep you jammed.

Is there any current entity playing the hobojam game no able to find a few account to play the new hobojamming game?
Veng3ance
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2014-09-29 19:03:43 UTC
Just a thought on a simple solution.

Allowing Smartbombs next to Null Stations would also get rid of this issue.

Why is this not allowed anyways?
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#69 - 2014-09-29 19:28:14 UTC
So, the main issue from the last page I have read is a dictor doing the undock --> bubble --> dock

Wouldn't an insta lock something be able to just shoot the bubbles clear, instead of relying on a bomber that can do it every 2 minutes?

This would force the dictors to stay undocked, which would mean they would get turned into pod goo from the capitals they are camping in.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#70 - 2014-09-29 19:40:05 UTC
Hopelesshobo wrote:
So, the main issue from the last page I have read is a dictor doing the undock --> bubble --> dock

Wouldn't an insta lock something be able to just shoot the bubbles clear, instead of relying on a bomber that can do it every 2 minutes?

This would force the dictors to stay undocked, which would mean they would get turned into pod goo from the capitals they are camping in.


You can't lock the bubbles. You need an AOE weapon. And smartbombs don't work on a station.

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#71 - 2014-09-29 19:42:58 UTC
Veng3ance wrote:
Just a thought on a simple solution.

Allowing Smartbombs next to Null Stations would also get rid of this issue.

Why is this not allowed anyways?


Most likely because it would let one battleship permanently trap pods and frigates inside a station. Regardless of align time or undock macros.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#72 - 2014-09-29 19:46:45 UTC
Veng3ance wrote:
Just a thought on a simple solution.

Allowing Smartbombs next to Null Stations would also get rid of this issue.

Why is this not allowed anyways?

What hobojamming is for capital fleets, this would be for pods, frigates, etc. Only worse, because even in a station with a huge dock radius, you'd have no chance to re-dock.

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GeeShizzle MacCloud
#73 - 2014-09-29 19:46:49 UTC  |  Edited by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
all of this white noise is completely irrelevant when you realise that if hobo bubbles are stopping your cap fleet from jumping you just need to undock them all have them select and hover over the menu tree in order to jump, have 1 bomber throw a bomb at the bubble, and the instant it blows up and clears the bubble, jump your caps.

You dont need to constantly throw bombs or work out a system where by 'x' number of bombers can keep up with 'y' number of hobo jammers.


f**king hell people, put your common sense caps on.
Veng3ance
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2014-09-29 20:18:34 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
Veng3ance wrote:
Just a thought on a simple solution.

Allowing Smartbombs next to Null Stations would also get rid of this issue.

Why is this not allowed anyways?

What hobojamming is for capital fleets, this would be for pods, frigates, etc. Only worse, because even in a station with a huge dock radius, you'd have no chance to re-dock.


My only argument against that is smartbombing is going to give you blatant agression. So if anything the dude will be a sitting duck and be killed off pretty easily.

I just don't think its nearly the broken mechanic hobojamming is.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#75 - 2014-09-30 01:16:56 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Hopelesshobo wrote:
So, the main issue from the last page I have read is a dictor doing the undock --> bubble --> dock

Wouldn't an insta lock something be able to just shoot the bubbles clear, instead of relying on a bomber that can do it every 2 minutes?

This would force the dictors to stay undocked, which would mean they would get turned into pod goo from the capitals they are camping in.


You can't lock the bubbles. You need an AOE weapon. And smartbombs don't work on a station.


So wouldn't that be a fix for this, make the bubbles attackable, just give them a very small sig radius so it would be difficult for a slowboating dread to pop one.

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