Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Can you give me a system that'll be used as a indestructible staging system?

......which would be any system!

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As I wrote on TMC:

The proposed changes are (as far as I understand):

• occupancy based sovereignty;
• increased amount of resources per system;
• NPC 0.0 in every sov region;

Current power blocks hold the most supers/titans, with decent enough force projection over pretty much all of EVE, and the monopoly over Tech 2 manufacturing (held by corporations, not by players). The proposed changes do not mention these, so I assume that they are not recognized by the alliances as problems. The proposed changes, without resolving force projection and moon goo monopoly will make it easier to rent out systems than before. You'll have all the tools and ISK to control the renting empires and the systems themselves will be more lucrative for any potential renters. With PushX and Black Frog logistics having access to every region in the game though NPC 0.0, it would be easier than ever to rent out even systems that have always been far away from any non-player owned systems, since the logistics of exporting farmed materials from rented systems would be easier than ever. Increased resource amount would mitigate the cost of logistics and I'm sure there will be more services that will offer sov null freight transport bringing the prices down.

The renters, on the other hand, even if they get more ISK from richer systems, would not be able to organize any meaningful action against their landlords, because they lack the tools for it. They can't hold high-end moons because it's against the agreement. If they try to do it by force, they will be stomped with supers. They can only build supers (if they can at all... different alliances have different rules) if they meet certain conditions and they can only sell them either to certain entities or lose ISK if not selling to their landlords (again, the rules are different with each landlord).

While we're at supers and force projection, with the new NPC 0.0 in each region, you won't even need supers to keep your renters under control. Large alliances could just stock up Dreads and Carriers in new NPC 0.0 and just leave them there docked and safe until they are needed for intervention and then use them in large numbers. And you won't even need to travel to your docked fleet since it's NPC 0.0 and you can just instruct your cap pilots to have jump clones installed and ready there. Basically, the force projection of a large number of capitals would not increase - it would be instantaneous (clone jump - done). No renter would think to go against it.

My thoughts around fixing 0.0 and giving smaller entities a chance without improving conditions for large renter empires is to have systems that are hard to reach by the landlords in the reasonable amount of time - aka reduce force projection. The system where deploying a large fleet of capitals and supers to distant systems/regions would leave you vulnerable in other regions, so you'd only deploy when you really need to. Combined with moon mining transition from corporation monopoly to a system similar to Planetary Interaction (similar as a concept of player extracted materials, not implementation and actual mechanics... CCP can be creative about it) with anyone being able to extract the materials regardless of the alliance that holds the system would give smaller entities a chance to compete.

CCP: Make the npc stations not accesible for sov holding alliances :D Make them make more alts if they want to keep caps in npc station :D Profit. Remove ships to lowsec if they join sov holding alliance.

Wouldn't really be surprised if they actually did this since CCP is all for making ppl use alts. More subs yay.

-1 Get rid of all positive standings and enjoy.

Dislike.

You are too lazy to fly in the current NPC-nullsec?
Or you think that anyone would want to live near you with 23.5/7 undock camps? Maybe in first time yes, but I think this will be very-very short life.

In general, your proposal will not do absolutely nothing in the current state of the null-sec, and I find it hard to understand what you want to do with this change? Save your sov from future changes?

P.S. Sorry for bed english =(.

Especially if you have NPC 00 areas in deep water Sov 00 like far eastern drone lands or deep Angel and Sansha space. As a neutral, you cannot reach these areas without cynoing in hostile sov space. So, in essence it is just going to be more safe havens for the Sov 00 holders where they can evacuate their assets to.

What I dislike is the absolute surety people always have when it comes to a complex problem. Some of the same 'signatories' of this agreement were HAPPY to see Dominion SOV because they were sure that is would fix things.

People never seem to learn that what they think they want is usually different from what they actually want.

This agreement seems like the 'Dark, Rich, Hearty Roast' variety. These guys think they want NPC space plopped into the middle of every region without understanding the myriad consequences of such a suggestion.

They don't understand because when people "hate" something, they can see no good in it at all and this leads to "throw the baby out with the bath water" thinking. That kind of thinking led to Dominion SOV in the 1st place because people were so tired of pos bashing that literally "anything has to be better than this".

It wasn't lol.

The better way forward would be to look at the Dominion Sov system, see what works right, and build upon that. CCP following the suggestions in this agreement will only lead to ANOTHER Dominion SOV situation (especially after people start losing SOV in an activity based system because null sec is incredibly easy to disrupt).

All of that crap is directed by mittani and vince to make it easier for them to maintain their empires while pretending to create some content. They felt that fire of change burning under butts and this looks like their attempt to turn it to their advantage.

Oh just look at it, in 10minutes there were 30+upvotes from their F1 monkeys who were told to upvote this link and probably did so before they even finished reading it -_-

I do not believe the 'conspiracy' nuts when they say that the null sec people are saying this because they want to gain something. I do think they (the signatories) are mistaken and not taking everything into account. One such thing is that npc null in every region VASTLY simplifies logistics, because now their is an npc station in EVERY region to jump through. no need to send in an unsafe cyno alt to a system you don't won if you want to move your cap fleet across the map, no need to use unsafe low sec routes either.

\Just hop scotch across npc null systems from one side of the map to the other.