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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#621 - 2014-09-28 16:34:36 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
@Adrie
The "Suggestions" you speak about do nothing to fix the current state of nullsec...

That 70% loss is space is completely bullshit, as we both know that'll be filled with CFC entities anyways. Take your "alliance" as a beautiful example. Mittens didn't have 100% control over the former alliances, so he told your "leadership" to drop your alliances and form a new one under his direct control.

Similar will happen again!

Enjoy your.........."freedom"


Can you post the link to your set of suggestions posted somewhere in this thread? I'd like to read them.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#622 - 2014-09-28 18:31:43 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
@Adrie
The "Suggestions" you speak about do nothing to fix the current state of nullsec...

That 70% loss is space is completely bullshit, as we both know that'll be filled with CFC entities anyways. Take your "alliance" as a beautiful example. Mittens didn't have 100% control over the former alliances, so he told your "leadership" to drop your alliances and form a new one under his direct control.

Similar will happen again!

Enjoy your.........."freedom"


Can you post the link to your set of suggestions posted somewhere in this thread? I'd like to read them.

I've posted at least 35 times in this thread discussing **** even with Baltec1.

Try reading the entire thread and paying half attention to what others say aswell. Instead of what drivel is shoved into your face by your glorious leaders...

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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#623 - 2014-09-28 18:42:57 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
@Adrie
The "Suggestions" you speak about do nothing to fix the current state of nullsec...

That 70% loss is space is completely bullshit, as we both know that'll be filled with CFC entities anyways. Take your "alliance" as a beautiful example. Mittens didn't have 100% control over the former alliances, so he told your "leadership" to drop your alliances and form a new one under his direct control.

Similar will happen again!

Enjoy your.........."freedom"


Can you post the link to your set of suggestions posted somewhere in this thread? I'd like to read them.

I've posted at least 35 times in this thread discussing **** even with Baltec1.

Try reading the entire thread and paying half attention to what others say aswell. Instead of what drivel is shoved into your face by your glorious leaders...


Why so angry?

I'll do a search then, I've read the whole thread but I skip all the rants so might have missed a post or a hundred.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#624 - 2014-09-28 20:48:09 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
@Adrie
The "Suggestions" you speak about do nothing to fix the current state of nullsec...

That 70% loss is space is completely bullshit, as we both know that'll be filled with CFC entities anyways. Take your "alliance" as a beautiful example. Mittens didn't have 100% control over the former alliances, so he told your "leadership" to drop your alliances and form a new one under his direct control.

Similar will happen again!

Enjoy your.........."freedom"


Can you post the link to your set of suggestions posted somewhere in this thread? I'd like to read them.

I've posted at least 35 times in this thread discussing **** even with Baltec1.

Try reading the entire thread and paying half attention to what others say aswell. Instead of what drivel is shoved into your face by your glorious leaders...


Why so angry?

I'll do a search then, I've read the whole thread but I skip all the rants so might have missed a post or a hundred.


He's angry because null is deserted. Really go ahead, look. Pull up the map and see. Even the tumbleweeds got bored and left.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#625 - 2014-09-28 20:50:12 UTC
Does anyone remember before cyno jammed systems when sunday night was pvp night?
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#626 - 2014-09-28 23:51:48 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
@Adrie
The "Suggestions" you speak about do nothing to fix the current state of nullsec...

That 70% loss is space is completely bullshit, as we both know that'll be filled with CFC entities anyways. Take your "alliance" as a beautiful example. Mittens didn't have 100% control over the former alliances, so he told your "leadership" to drop your alliances and form a new one under his direct control.

Similar will happen again!

Enjoy your.........."freedom"


Can you post the link to your set of suggestions posted somewhere in this thread? I'd like to read them.

I've posted at least 35 times in this thread discussing **** even with Baltec1.

Try reading the entire thread and paying half attention to what others say aswell. Instead of what drivel is shoved into your face by your glorious leaders...


Why so angry?

I'll do a search then, I've read the whole thread but I skip all the rants so might have missed a post or a hundred.


He's angry because null is deserted. Really go ahead, look. Pull up the map and see. Even the tumbleweeds got bored and left.

More annoyed...

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#627 - 2014-09-29 06:30:28 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Does anyone remember before cyno jammed systems when sunday night was pvp night?


I remember fortress delve when BoB was king of the hill.

Anyway here is a new development

For those who for whatever grr goons reason you have dont want to visit that site, it is a open letter on null signed by every single null entity of note from all sides plus the CSM. Feel free to refer to it any time someone comes in here flapping their arms decrying how the current null power blocks want to keep the current situation the same.
Anthar Thebess
#628 - 2014-09-29 07:27:47 UTC
For me this open letter means that CCP is going in totally different way in changes than people request.
Cry

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#629 - 2014-09-29 07:47:26 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For me this open letter means that CCP is going in totally different way in changes than people request.
Cry



The open letter means nothing at all. Written by people who do not know the direction CCP have taken.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#630 - 2014-09-29 08:28:55 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
The open letter means nothing at all. Written by people who do not know the direction CCP have taken.

They have direction? Doubt it. I'm looking forward the CSM summit and null changes. To be or not to be for EvE. Nobody wants to play the game on current rules.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
KatanTharkay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#631 - 2014-09-29 08:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: KatanTharkay
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For me this open letter means that CCP is going in totally different way in changes than people request.
Cry



The open letter means nothing at all. Written by people who do not know the direction CCP have taken.

Then CCP should hurry up and tell us about the direction they are taking. For the moment we have 0 data. And players don't have much trust that CCP can take a decision that will be good in the long term (see Dominion).

And all this is bad publicity tbh: "I was willing to try EVE Online, but the community seems unhappy with the state of the game and long term prospects."
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#632 - 2014-09-29 08:58:32 UTC
KatanTharkay wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For me this open letter means that CCP is going in totally different way in changes than people request.
Cry



The open letter means nothing at all. Written by people who do not know the direction CCP have taken.

Then CCP should hurry up and tell us about the direction they are taking. For the moment we have 0 data. And players don't have much trust that CCP can take a decision that will be good in the long term (see Dominion).

For it's time Dominion was a great idea!

It was FAR better then the original concept that was in place since Beta. It was a good idea at the time. CCP had no idea that a few players would bake a blue doughnut and **** all over the game. That open letter means that Nullsec players want a change. It kinda needs an overhaul, more so to adapt to the growing metagame.

What this letter screams (Oh how it does...) Is that /somehow/ Nullsec leadership has been informed /somehow/ of upcoming changes. They don't like them, so they're starting their bitching and whining early. In a vain attempt to have Nullsec changed their way!

......because they've done a bang up job of running things thus far!


P.S. If people are claiming that they don't like the direction....someone is leaking information.

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KatanTharkay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#633 - 2014-09-29 09:06:42 UTC  |  Edited by: KatanTharkay
It was a change mate, but not a good one. Change of the sake of change never brings something good. And no, there where plenty of voices at that time arguing that it was not a good direction to take.

Edit: of course it is a leak, but that can be like: "man, i can't give you details but CCP is going in the wrong direction again..." :)
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#634 - 2014-09-29 09:20:37 UTC
KatanTharkay wrote:
It was a change mate, but not a good one. Change of the sake of change never brings something good. And no, there where plenty of voices at that time arguing that it was not a good direction to take.

Edit: of course it is a leak, but that can be like: "man, i can't give you details but CCP is going in the wrong direction again..." :)

That direction is one persons opinion, and based on this thread alone, there's alot of different directions Nullsec can take and someone will see it as wrong.

Now then, we also have to take a took at this a little further. Is this the wrong direction for the game? Or the wrong direction that the current leadership doesn't like? I'll happily assume that the current leadership doesn't like its direction.

The leak would have to be more then "man, i can't give you details but CCP is going in the wrong direction again..." to start a petition...

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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#635 - 2014-09-29 09:24:17 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
What this letter screams (Oh how it does...) Is that /somehow/ Nullsec leadership has been informed /somehow/ of upcoming changes. They don't like them, so they're starting their bitching and whining early. In a vain attempt to have Nullsec changed their way!

If they don't have a reason to fight today and proposed change (leaked) would make things worse, open letter is a good idea, don't you think? CSM have no real influence on game design, they just the bridge beetwen CCP and players so i don't think they have the pressure to change game "nullsec leadership style".

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
KatanTharkay
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#636 - 2014-09-29 09:29:45 UTC  |  Edited by: KatanTharkay
As I said, CCP should tell us about the direction they are taking. That would keep us away from assumptions.
Keeping the player base in the dark until they are actively implementing that solution and then ask for feedback is the wrong thing to do.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#637 - 2014-09-29 09:36:11 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
What this letter screams (Oh how it does...) Is that /somehow/ Nullsec leadership has been informed /somehow/ of upcoming changes. They don't like them, so they're starting their bitching and whining early. In a vain attempt to have Nullsec changed their way!

If they don't have a reason to fight today and proposed change (leaked) would make things worse, open letter is a good idea, don't you think? CSM have no real influence on game design, they just the bridge beetwen CCP and players so i don't think they have the pressure to change game "nullsec leadership style".

It's not a bad idea, but with the "leak" in whose opinion would it make it worst?

If there's half a hint that it'll dethrone the current leadership and burn the blue doughnut. Of course Nullsec leadership (the ones who baked said doughnut and put Nullsec in it's current state.) would see this as a bad idea...for them!

If it would be bad for the game as a whole, wait until the details are in the open and let the playerbase AS A WHOLE!!! decide. Not just a select few.....the ones pushing this....might I add, want's to, and I quote "ruin OUR game, not theirs."


...yeah, excuse me for calling bullshit and thinking that they're looking out for themselves!

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#638 - 2014-09-29 09:49:56 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
KatanTharkay wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For me this open letter means that CCP is going in totally different way in changes than people request.
Cry



The open letter means nothing at all. Written by people who do not know the direction CCP have taken.

Then CCP should hurry up and tell us about the direction they are taking. For the moment we have 0 data. And players don't have much trust that CCP can take a decision that will be good in the long term (see Dominion).

For it's time Dominion was a great idea!

It was FAR better then the original concept that was in place since Beta. It was a good idea at the time. CCP had no idea that a few players would bake a blue doughnut and **** all over the game. That open letter means that Nullsec players want a change. It kinda needs an overhaul, more so to adapt to the growing metagame.

What this letter screams (Oh how it does...) Is that /somehow/ Nullsec leadership has been informed /somehow/ of upcoming changes. They don't like them, so they're starting their bitching and whining early. In a vain attempt to have Nullsec changed their way!

......because they've done a bang up job of running things thus far!


P.S. If people are claiming that they don't like the direction....someone is leaking information.


No it was NOT. Several people warned that the changes to dominion woudl devolve in more static sov warfare with a mad arms race towards supercapitals and htat wars would be reduced to basically total showdowns that would crash the server.


Dominion concept was HORRIBLE. They got a bad ssytem, POS ones and made it 5 times worse and ignored the player feedback.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#639 - 2014-09-29 09:52:00 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
It's not a bad idea, but with the "leak" in whose opinion would it make it worst?

If there's half a hint that it'll dethrone the current leadership and burn the blue doughnut. Of course Nullsec leadership (the ones who baked said doughnut and put Nullsec in it's current state.) would see this as a bad idea...for them!

If it would be bad for the game as a whole, wait until the details are in the open and let the playerbase AS A WHOLE!!! decide. Not just a select few.....the ones pushing this....might I add, want's to, and I quote "ruin OUR game, not theirs."


...yeah, excuse me for calling bullshit and thinking that they're looking out for themselves!

First. I don't belive there was a leak. This would mean the CSM was incompetent and let CCP down.
Second. If null blocks leadership leave because of state of the game it wouldn't be good after all. EvE is tight connected to its player base. It's a niche game, and frankly it will stay it that state (for many reasons). Loosing most devoted players won't help.
Third. Why so null leadership paranoia? I don't have reasons to love goons, but breathe man, breathe. It's a game. There were so arguable changes in the past but hey, we still here.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#640 - 2014-09-29 11:08:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Does anyone remember before cyno jammed systems when sunday night was pvp night?


I remember fortress delve when BoB was king of the hill.

Anyway here is a new development

For those who for whatever grr goons reason you have dont want to visit that site, it is a open letter on null signed by every single null entity of note from all sides plus the CSM. Feel free to refer to it any time someone comes in here flapping their arms decrying how the current null power blocks want to keep the current situation the same.



Yeah me too. Fortress delve couldn't be cracked, BUT there were tons of explosions all across eve. Bruce, the death of IRON, Tri 1-2-3-4, D2 and so on. Null was populated. Conflict was continuous. Please don't cry about the 1 time there was 1 alliance you couldn't blob smash (It makes you look extra weak).

Cry cry cry all you like. The recent desertion from null is because you (big you) made it boring. You're trying to farm eve players. It's working, but not so good and probably not for long.

This isn't Grrr goons (don't flatter yourself) It's Grrrr null is BORING. It's Grrrrr null is deserted. It's Grrrrr folks are leaving the game in large numbers.

The back and forth with you is because you persist in responding to this. Sorry but I'm just not that in to you. You may feel you are relevant and maybe you are to someone, but to me you're just the mouthpiece of an overextended group that is ripe for a tear down.