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Language Chat Channel Consolidation With Oceanus

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Desalmada Nolen
Se Morri Foi lag
#241 - 2014-09-28 18:00:06 UTC
Please CCP ... Dont close any one chat language ...

because new players hava a difficult in play de game ... and all search one modo to find a player can speak your language ...

if yours close Chats ... how a new players find a players speak your language ...
Praetar
Malevolence Corporation
#242 - 2014-09-28 19:46:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Praetar
CCP, you receive a bunch of tickets and you decide to close historic language channels that hundreds of people use to avoid the problem.

Let the games begin...

I beg you foreign players of EVE Online to join these Faction and Technology channels after the release of Oceanus to continue your activities in your faction or technic language:
Amarr – Ukranian
Ammatar - Swedish
Angel Cartel - Romanian
Blood Raiders – Portugese
Caldari - Polish
CONCORD - Spanish
Gallente - Norwegian
Guristas - Lithuanian
Interbus - Latvian
Jove - Korean
Khanid Kingdom - Italian
Mordu’s Legion – Hungarian
ORE - Finnish
Sansha’s Nation - Dutch
Serpentis - Danish
Sisters of EVE – Czech/Slovak
The Society - Croatian
The Syndicate - Chinese
Thukker – Bulgarian
Linux - Brazilian
Steam - Belarussian
MS Windows - Afrikaans

Less populated channels not listed: Greek, Filipino, Faroese, Estonian, Arabic, Albanian, Afrikaans, Hebrew, Vietnamese, Turkish, Slovenian, Serbian and Icelandic.

Close all your public channels or close none! That's it!
ArmyOfMe
Teddybears.
#243 - 2014-09-28 20:14:24 UTC
Im sorry, but thats a horrible f'ing move. Those channels are used for so much good, that removing them is just yet another proof of why there are 30k ppl less online at peak hours then before. CCP screwing up yet again.
/golfclap

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#244 - 2014-09-28 21:00:00 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
BTW, has someone contacted the CSM? Is there any CSM who speaks a non-supported language and can understand what those channels mean to our communities?

Sugar Kyle talks about this in her CSM9 - Day 147 roundup. I suppose I'm gratified that she and I agree that one way forward would be to overhaul the chat finder. Nevertheless, I'd have liked to see the CSM engaging in the discussion in this thread as well.

"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Frygok
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#245 - 2014-09-28 21:22:38 UTC
Praetar wrote:
CCP, you receive a bunch of tickets and you decide to close historic language channels that hundreds of people use to avoid the problem.

Let the games begin...

I beg you foreign players of EVE Online to join these Faction and Technology channels after the release of Oceanus to continue your activities in your faction or technic language:
Amarr – Ukranian
Ammatar - Swedish
Angel Cartel - Romanian
Blood Raiders – Portugese
Caldari - Polish
CONCORD - Spanish
Gallente - Norwegian
Guristas - Lithuanian
Interbus - Latvian
Jove - Korean
Khanid Kingdom - Italian
Mordu’s Legion – Hungarian
ORE - Finnish
Sansha’s Nation - Dutch
Serpentis - Danish
Sisters of EVE – Czech/Slovak
The Society - Croatian
The Syndicate - Chinese
Thukker – Bulgarian
Linux - Brazilian
Steam - Belarussian
MS Windows - Afrikaans

Less populated channels not listed: Greek, Filipino, Faroese, Estonian, Arabic, Albanian, Afrikaans, Hebrew, Vietnamese, Turkish, Slovenian, Serbian and Icelandic.

Close all your public channels or close none! That's it!


The danes have taken over the Serpentis channel, and are manufacturing high-quality drugs as we speak! Cool

This initiative should be supported!
Charoth Amperod
x13
Pandemic Horde
#246 - 2014-09-28 21:22:40 UTC
i am so mad right now. Big smile
Danish people are going to join serp channel and own it

Bailian Moxtain
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#247 - 2014-09-28 21:38:30 UTC
worst ever, norwegian chan was one of few reasons why I kept playing this game back when I was a noobie
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#248 - 2014-09-28 21:56:15 UTC
Morihei Akachi wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
BTW, has someone contacted the CSM? Is there any CSM who speaks a non-supported language and can understand what those channels mean to our communities?

Sugar Kyle talks about this in her CSM9 - Day 147 roundup. I suppose I'm gratified that she and I agree that one way forward would be to overhaul the chat finder. Nevertheless, I'd have liked to see the CSM engaging in the discussion in this thread as well.


Creating a chat search function would work as well as having a corp search function. Better than nothing, but not exactly what a new player wishes to see when he's in need of help.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#249 - 2014-09-28 22:02:15 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Bailian Moxtain wrote:
worst ever, norwegian chan was one of few reasons why I kept playing this game back when I was a noobie

I have to totally agree to this as i have been a part of the Norwegian channel since 2004 until it gets removed. And i have been a part of the channel when you have been there all the time to where we have had alot of fun through the years.

So no, i wont support the removing of the language channels if you wonder CCP. Removing them will just make it even harder for newbs to get into the game. I got into EVE back in 2004 by joining the Norwegian channel where i was meet with alot of friendly players from the same country as i'm from that gave me isk, free ships and even gave me a corp to be in. It was in this channel my journey into the dark and hard life of EVE started. And i'm sure i'm not alone on experiencing this kind of stuffs.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#250 - 2014-09-28 22:23:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Didn't want to bring a offtopic here, but I've started a thread on the effectiveness and abbilty of the EULA to shelter players who don't use a supported language: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5061124#post5061124

If channels are shut down because of difficulties to enforce the EULA, what does that mean if a player is being harrassed in a non supported language?
Elly May
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#251 - 2014-09-28 22:25:00 UTC
Still playing dead CCP? You're pathetic.
Calando
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#252 - 2014-09-28 22:31:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Calando
I'm curious what you people expect CCP to do, in light of the reasons they've stated. Should the entire CCP staff take a year off development and maintenance of EVE to learn every language in the world so they can adequately moderate every official language channel, as their own EULA stipulates they must do? Roll If they change nothing, they risk legal repercussions for inaction. They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

Here's an idea: how about all of you learn to speak English, instead of forcing CCP to learn 500 different languages and dialects. Straight
Morihei Akachi
Doomheim
#253 - 2014-09-28 22:41:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Morihei Akachi
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"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and don’t belong in Eve Online. (And as for “scoped” …)

Frygok
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#254 - 2014-09-28 22:58:06 UTC
Calando wrote:
I'm curious what you people expect CCP to do, in light of the reasons they've stated. Should the entire CCP staff take a year off development and maintenance of EVE to learn every language in the world so they can adequately moderate every official language channel, as their own EULA stipulates they must do? Roll If they change nothing, they risk legal repercussions for inaction. They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

Here's an idea: how about all of you learn to speak English, instead of forcing CCP to learn 500 different languages and dialects. Straight


No, they could just realize that while there might be a few/some national channels that requires moderation, some of us actually have extremely nice and well-driven channels, where the focus is on having a good time, and helping out the new players that quickly finds the national channels and asks for advice in terms of skillpoints, corporations and generally how to go about playing the game. Some of these are even insecure in their usage of the english language, and have found an easier time getting help in their mother tongue. An option that CCP now wants to deny them.

For instance the danish channel has been an excellent place for discussions, and has even had a danish developer participating in talks. Just because some countries have issues with trolls (there is a magical button called 'block' for spammers and ****), doesn't mean the rest of us should be punished.

Anyway, the danes are starting to set up in the Serpentis channel, in order to have our existing in-game community active after this unimpressive change.
WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#255 - 2014-09-29 01:17:13 UTC
I hope the spanish community relaunches a new channel because it is always fun to read random poor sods complaining about some gold stolen and ugly women ****** 500 years ago.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#256 - 2014-09-29 02:43:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Samsara Toldya wrote:
Am I forced by CCP to moderate my player run channels - if yes - what consequenced do I have to suffer if ToS breaking will happen inside the channel?


1) Yes, but CCP can and will punish you for doing so in a way that doesn't align with their ideal if someone decides to ***** up the chain about it.

2) All of them, of course.

CCP needs to take a step back and look at exactly how moronic, contradictory and hypocritical this stance is.

They can't be bothered to police language-support channels where there is apparently an abundance of seriously harmful trolling and abusive behavior.

And yet, they're more than happy to throw out warnings to people in otherwise calm player-owned channels for dropping an f-bomb in casual conversation because someone feels like abusing the petition system just to be a ****. What is the point in having player-run channels in the first place if people can just go whine to CCP instead of putting on their big-kid pants and either using the block function or leaving the channel?

Either tell the GMs to stay the hell out of player-owned channels in all but the most egregious circumstances (death threats, RL-related crime, etc), CCP, or have them be the thought police for ALL of them.

No picking and choosing. All channels, or none. Be consistent.

Darkblad wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
If you create a chatchannel and someone insults you ...
... and you - instead of blocking, muting and/or kicking him - write a petition instead ...
... then I have to question your mental state.
Not really. Take a standard troll who likes to insult others just for the reaction. No matter who the target is. You block him and you're fine with that. The troll however, can continue to harass other players in the same or different channels, endlessly in theory.
It even might be that he breaks this part of the Terms Of Service
TOS wrote:
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.

(added this as it also matches the topic:)
You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)
For me, CCP can't evade their responsibility to act in such cases just by removing chat channels provided by the server.
Tickets will continue to be filed and CCP will continue to encounter the language barrier. The chat channel where those events occur just no longer are official channels.
Nothing gained by CCP in the long term, but the existing communities of those channels that got deleted are left in the cold and have to find ways to reorganize, with the difficulties already repeatedly described in this thread.

As said above, the GM team (and by extension CCP) is more than happy to encourage vindictive, abusive reporting of other players through the petition system over asinine little things (aka, rules lawyering), rather than deal with actual genuine issues.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Don Pera Saissore
#257 - 2014-09-29 03:09:41 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
With most of these languages having no official support from CCP, this means that investigating and answering tickets of this nature from these channels is sometimes not possible due to a significant language barrier.


Just get someone from that language channel to translate for you, maybe give him some isk for his servicesBlink

Please don't close my chat channel.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#258 - 2014-09-29 04:59:57 UTC
Make us please an official Napanii channel.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Huono Onni
Leka ja Lommo
#259 - 2014-09-29 05:57:17 UTC
Mistä sitten tulen kysymään neuvoja?
Parempi että puhun omalla kielelläni Suomi kanavalle, kun se että tulen tänne keskustelemaa.
GardenHose
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#260 - 2014-09-29 06:54:19 UTC
This is bad decision CCP please dont do it.