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High Sec Miner in Low sec - Question

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BlkQueen
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-09-28 01:45:55 UTC
Hello,

I have played EVE Off and on for a few years and currently have a 27 mill pilot with most of my mining related skillz maxed.

I have been in High Sec for most of my EVE career until last year when I joined a low sec corp. Well, after over 100 million in losses due to being ganked war decced and not being able to mine due to wars, my question is this: why would a high sec miner join a low/null sec corp without the muscle or connections to protect its miners? It makes no sense you become fodder for the gankers. After being ganked and podded I asked my corp director about it they just shrugged and said it happens. Understandable, but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me?
Rems Issus
Associated Descendants of Eve
#2 - 2014-09-28 01:59:27 UTC
BlkQueen wrote:
but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me?


As a miner you shouldn't. If your corp's leadership isn't bothered enough to protect the miners earning the corporation profit, you shouldn't be bothered enough to stick around.

~*~{Posting on my main, come at me bro}~*~

BlkQueen
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-09-28 02:04:40 UTC
Rems Issus wrote:
BlkQueen wrote:
but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me?


As a miner you shouldn't. If your corp's leadership isn't bothered enough to protect the miners earning the corporation profit, you shouldn't be bothered enough to stick around.


OK thank you. The whole thing was a bit perplexing, I felt like I was missing something because the answer was so obvious. All these corps want me to come out to Null/Low sec and arent able to shield their miners in any way. It made no sense.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#4 - 2014-09-28 02:07:06 UTC
If you mine and not much more, don't join player corps. EVE PvP is a game of kill or be killed. Even the 100K tank of a Skiff is going to fall eventually if it's tackled and forced to fight to the death.

Your question was answered ten years ago. Don't do it.
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-09-28 02:14:00 UTC
BlkQueen wrote:
All these corps want me to come out to Null/Low sec and arent able to shield their miners in any way. It made no sense.


That sentence is in correct. The corporation you have chosen to join may not be able to protect you in any way, but there are quite a few low sec 0.0 corporations that can.

Please do not smear a whole segment of the game through your own poor choices.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-09-28 02:14:20 UTC
BlkQueen wrote:
All these corps want me to come out to Null/Low sec and arent able to shield their miners in any way. It made no sense.


That sentence is incorrect. The corporation you have chosen to join may not be able to protect you in any way, but there are quite a few low sec 0.0 corporations that can.

Please do not smear a whole segment of the game through your own poor choices.
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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-09-28 02:15:31 UTC
That was important enough for me to say twice.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#8 - 2014-09-28 02:23:54 UTC
Last time I was in a player corp it was a lowsec industrial corp, and they did a fine job of protecting us. It was just a case of making friends with everyone who might have wanted to shoot us.

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BlkQueen
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-09-28 02:24:11 UTC  |  Edited by: BlkQueen
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
BlkQueen wrote:
All these corps want me to come out to Null/Low sec and arent able to shield their miners in any way. It made no sense.


That sentence is in correct. The corporation you have chosen to join may not be able to protect you in any way, but there are quite a few low sec 0.0 corporations that can.

Please do not smear a whole segment of the game through your own poor choices.


I didnt say ALL corps....so stop misquoting me. I stated "all" the corps that wanted ME to come to Null/low didnt have any protection. Not every corp in EVE asked me to come out, thus it cant be ALL. I know some do, I was simply curious as to the ones that DO NOT protect their miners, why would they ask a miner to come out knowing that they will hv alot to lose. So suck it.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2014-09-28 02:27:59 UTC
BlkQueen wrote:
I have been in High Sec for most of my EVE career ...



Im starting to see the problem here.

Go on..

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

BlkQueen
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-09-28 02:30:00 UTC
My original question has been answered. Thanks to all that actually answered it. I thought I was taking crazy pills for a sec there. Fly safe.

Carebear 4ever
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2014-09-28 02:36:25 UTC
Did you ever actually move to Low/Null?


WarDecs are only important in HS.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Khalm Hasal
#13 - 2014-09-28 02:43:59 UTC
Echoing others that said you needed to be in a different corp. Don't let one experience make you swear off trying out null or low. If you enjoy carebearing it, more power to you - but your one experience with the rest of it is not indicative of all the possibilities. There are many very happy miners outside of HS.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-09-28 06:34:20 UTC
BlkQueen wrote:
Hello,

I have played EVE Off and on for a few years and currently have a 27 mill pilot with most of my mining related skillz maxed.

I have been in High Sec for most of my EVE career until last year when I joined a low sec corp. Well, after over 100 million in losses due to being ganked war decced and not being able to mine due to wars, my question is this: why would a high sec miner join a low/null sec corp without the muscle or connections to protect its miners? It makes no sense you become fodder for the gankers. After being ganked and podded I asked my corp director about it they just shrugged and said it happens. Understandable, but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me?


Ditto on what the gentleman beneath your original post said. For example, our alliance recently moved to null sec and set up home in a rental system. Sure, it was a rough go at first (we lost too many barges, mainly due to pilot inattentiveness), but we're getting to the point where we've got security during busy hours and we watch local like a hawk.

As a miner myself, when you're in low/null, a few things. Stay aligned to your POS or station as applicable and watch local like a hawk. Soon as you see a neut pop in, warp to your pos or station. And use either a Procurer or Skiff, far more survivable. I love the Hulk and the Mack for different reasons, but without REALLY good security, I don't bring either out.

And if you're interested in jumping to a new corp, allow me to direct you here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=338476&find=unread

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-09-28 08:32:52 UTC
BlkQueen wrote:
Understandable, but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me?

what, do you voluntarily hand your mined ore over for taxes, then

protecting miners consists of responding when the miner calls out on comms. having a standing escort is entirely impractical and invites others to form a fleet against you. if you're in lowsec, you're responsible for watching dscan and local for yourself. if you see something, or you're being hunted, you tell the corp and then they can help

unfortunately ccp got rid of hidden belts in lowsec because ??? newbies ??? accessibility ??? so the most reasonable layer of protection was removed
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-09-28 08:38:03 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
That sentence is incorrect. The corporation you have chosen to join may not be able to protect you in any way, but there are quite a few low sec 0.0 corporations that can.

I haven't come across any.... and I've killed a LOT of miners in low/0.0.
There is just nothing you can do to protect an afk miner from a quick raiding party that pops out of a wormhole - they are gone before you can form a fleet.

The best protection you have is yourself. Watch intel, watch local, don't be afk.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#17 - 2014-09-28 08:49:54 UTC
Hi there

You can start by asking the question: "How can I help to make Highsec a better place for everyone?"

Obviously the answer to that question is: By following the New Halaima Code of Conduct, accepting our Supreme Protector, father of the New Order, James 315 as the Saviour of Highsec and purchasing a mining permit for only 10mil ISK per year.

If you really want to make a difference you better save all that tax money you give to your useless corporation and support the New Order by purchasing some shares. This money will be used to equip our Knights with the weapons they need to fight the criminals in the ore and ice belts.

Together we can make a difference and work towards a better more stable Highsec we can all be proud of.

For more information visit our blog at: www.minerbumping.com
Scout Vyvorant
Doomheim
#18 - 2014-09-28 09:45:49 UTC
BlkQueen wrote:
My original question has been answered. Thanks to all that actually answered it. I thought I was taking crazy pills for a sec there. Fly safe.

Carebear 4ever


Mind something, if you are a null miner in a proper corp / alliance that actually protect their miners, you are safer in null than in high sec.

I've seen a CODE. post here talking about their code and such, however buying their permit wont make you any safer, and do you know why? Not because CODE. wont honor the mining permit, but because they are not the only ones ganking miners in high sec.

Check a random killboard, zkillboard is fine at example, and then check the exhumers kills; you wont see that much CODE. as you would expect.

On top of this High Sec has war decs that keep you out of the mining for a while (unless you are in a npc corp), you do need to own a PoS to compress or refine (and this require you to be in a corp, so under war dec possibility), you can get ganked while hauling, you can have can flippers.... the list goes on. In null or WH you can spend litteraly days without see anyone beside your corp / alliance mates.

High Sec is not a safe zone, it's just another pvp space that follows different rules of engagement, and it's virtually as dangerous as any other space.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#19 - 2014-09-28 13:03:53 UTC
Scout Vyvorant wrote:
Check a random killboard, zkillboard is fine at example, and then check the exhumers kills; you wont see that much CODE. as you would expect.

https://zkillboard.com/group/543/highsec/
Every last character in the Top list of destroyed Exhumers is a New Order Agent, it's almost a member list of my corp. How much more would you expect? Also CODE. is not the whole New Order.
Jace Sarice
#20 - 2014-09-28 13:13:07 UTC
@OP Echoing the others that said to ignore New Order and go to null as a miner. If I ever reactivated my mining character there is no way in hell I would mine in hisec. With the amount of skills you have, it shouldn't be too difficult to find a good null corporation that would accept you.
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