Crime & Punishment

TVP have finally produced a counter( http://thevalhallaproject.info/news.html ) to the ISN proposal. Neither crosses the divide between the two differing incursion philosophies and are probably doomed to fail.

However, could this be what TVP are aiming for? Strange thing to say, you might think, but read on and judge for yourself.

The none-to-subtle approach by the TVP team shows a classic approach to propaganda and manipulation. Will the other communities realise this or will they just see the chance to get back to making iskies? Will they care?

There is nothing new in the recent TVP proposal, it is a rehash of the old differences that have been splitting incursion unity for over 2 years. What is interesting, though, is its insidious nature that seeks to enable TVP to ”control” incursions by restricting freedom of other incursion communities. Who do you think will want to lead this expansion of control of incursions? There may be much denial of this but history shows this to be a classic approach.

TVP have been pretty canny with this proposal. I believe they have set it up to fail. Clear in knowledge that it will probably be unacceptable to ISN, TVP are banking on the other incursion communities believing it is a reasonable proposal (dangling the isk-making carrot in front of them, again?).

Why is this important? Well, TVP are desperate to maintain the claim to have the support of the entire incursion community (excluding ISN of course). This is line they constantly repeat in their channel. However, this does not seem to reflect reality.

What is actually behind all of this? Well, more than one of the other incursion communities has indicated that TVP have strived, but ultimately failed, to match ISN. They theorise that this inferiority seems to be at the core of the problem. One suggested that TVP see ISN as their nemesis and this was the ultimate reason for their collective psychosis (his words, not mine).

Have TVP engaged in a great piece of propaganda manipulation to finally make themselves look better than ISN? They must know their proposal will be unpalatable to ISN but they must be hoping that the other incursion communities will not see this.

If they succeed they may be scratching that itch that is their nemesis. If they fail in this attempt, their psychosis could worsen.

Proposal for fellow Incursion Runners to consider
26.9.2014
TVP Leadership and the FC team

TVP would like to thank our pilots and the communities at large who helped us along in this long and hard road taken by us. We also would like to apologize to people who were drastically affected by this stance. We hope that this agreement establishes an honorable code of conduct for incursions to ensure a better future for all incursion communities. As history has taught us progress and evolution can't be made without strife. We also would like to thank the people who assisted our fleets during the DDoS attacks and helped in recovering the loot.

Moving forward we would like to present the agreement that we fervently hope will be acceptable for all the incursion communities.

1. The Kundalini Manifest is to be off limits to all groups until the time that the incursion hits withdrawal, unless all communities unanimously agree to kill the incursion to ensure a better spawn spread.

2. Following the previous line of thought we hope all the HQ capable communities are willing to accept a MOM rotation so that everyone gets a fair share. In the event that a community is not able to form up at withdrawal they can request help from other communities with the MOM loot going to the community who’s turn it is.

3. To try and prevent overcrowding in HQ's nowadays it would help for communities to split themselves into 2 groups and farm those incursions separately. For example: communities that have been historically at odds separate themselves from each other to alleviate tension.

4. Expanding the currently existing channel from just leadership and diplomats to all fleet commanders from all the communities. This will help clear away a lot of confusion and misinformation with a much more open line of communication. In the event of a mass disconnect, this will also help with getting the necessary help to pilots who have lost their ship.

5. With the current contest-driven environment it is desired that contests be given a fair chance. But no community may follow a fleet around after winning a contest. The winning fleet will chose the next site and head out to it. The losing fleet may head to the same site with the understanding that they agree to be re-contested.

We at TVP hope that this agreement is deemed acceptable for all communities as it addresses most of the points that, historically, issues have stemmed from. We will strife to work together with all other communities in the future with a more open dialogue so that such misunderstandings do not reoccur.

It must be said that most of the other incursion communities hold little love for ISN. However, equally important to note is that whatever support for this action TVP thought they had, from other communities, appears to fast be evaporating.

From Imperial Shipment... IS... Where are you hiding N?

When ISN started griefing Inncursion runners I wardec'ed them multiple times only to have them swap corps multiple times. TVP didn't want in on it and wasn't strong enough to win the contests. I was already flying with Summer most of the time, who was wining the contests Vs. ISN half of the time anyway, so ISN focused their griefing on TVP.

I don't believe in Karma but poetic justice prevails IMHO. Now they are all crying and making less money.

Oreos dipped in tears for the win.

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What I find interesting now is the fact that during the DDoS attacks, ISN didn't get disconnected and used the attacks to steal a bunch of loot from destroyed player ships, then when everyone came back on line, gloated and bragged about it in local chat.

You do realize how a DDoS attack works right? Just because one group of players got DC'd doesn't mean all players get DC'd. It all depends on how the DDoS attack was orchestrated and what it targeted on the network. I've seen players DC during these while I was fine, and then have the situation reverse during the next event. Put the tinfoil hattery away.

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Ciper Jones: Your language strongly points to you being from the TVP channel. That is not a problem but there is a bias showing.

I have no doubt that any ISN input would be just as biased from their perspective.

Really, it is the independent view that would be the most informative here. In reality, I doubt there are any truly independent views, but c'est la vie.

Just as an example of some differing perspectives:

TVP's view of griefing = ISN's view of contesting

TVPs' view of tears = ISN's view of discussions

Although,

TVP trolling = ISN trolling

Both communities are convinced the other is suffering most and losing more people.

Summer community was actually dead before ISN began doing HQ sites