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Well you'd be wrong there. I have no hate towards T2 BPOs specifically. I don't see the point in keeping remnants of ANY deprecated mechanic behind purely because a handful of people feel they are entitled to keep said remnants because they've chosen to pay a high price for them. T2 BPOs are not inherently expensive, they are that way because people are willing to pay more and more for them. Those choices are not a reason to keep them around.

This makes no sense, like at all. I'm not entirely sure you understand the benefit a T2 BPO producer gets. An inventor needs to pay for each run of their BPC a set cost, on top of the build cost, to produce a BPC at a lower profit rate than a researched BPO. That's a sunk cost, one they won't get back. A BPO owner doesn't need t pay that. They pay for a BPO once, can infinitely produce from it, then can resell the BPO whenever they want to recover that cost.

Except the investment still has value. The only risk you have is that your BPO goes down in value, which if you are paying attention can be preempted. The people who will lose out when the BPOs get canned will not be the main owners. The owners will cash them out for what looks like a sweet deal right before they crash, guaranteed.

There's as much risk in invention as any other mainstream production. People can compete with your product and crush your profit margins, because people can all achieve the same level. That promotes competition, which is very healthy.

You're right, It's not, which is what I've stated multiple times. It's about removing the remnants of a deprecated mechanic so the invention mechanics can be played with without having to constantly ask the question "how will T2 BPOs affect or be affected by this change".

I get it though, you make a lot of isk though trading T2 BPOs, and if they get nerfed into just collectors items or removed entirely, you'll lose that line of isk making. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

Eve works well for about 8y with t2bpos. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

T2 BPO do not add depth. They give a select number of players the ability to bypass invention in favour of using T1 mechanics, so if anything, they remove depth.

And it's too late. T2 BPOs are already doomed.

No, I just don't think the positives outweigh the negatives. Removing their ability to produce most certainly has no impact on the depth of the game and they can still be collected. If they are collectors items, surely nobody would have an issue with their inevitable removal from the industry system, right?

And other collectors items have been removed before and I didn't see you whining about depth then. Stop holding on to deprecated mechanics and accept that the game must move forward to progress. It's gonna happen whether you want it to or not.

Not really. The positives are that a handful of people can use an item to undercut prices of the main producers (bearing in mind that they would still be collectables even if they didn't get used for industry). The negatives are that the invention system has to be tiptoed around when making changes so that this deprecated system won't break or be broken by the changes.

The thing is, if you issue really was that they are part of the history of EVE and are valuable collectors items, then their use as an industry item would be irrelevant.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

I have removed some posts that contained a reply to an edited out part of the post(s) they replied to.

I also removed a rule breaking post.

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Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

Thank you for this perspective. I agree that the invention strategy worked and I sincerely appreciate your point of view that CCP are in the sand box with us. It does feel like that to me too. This perspective is something I wouldn't have come up with myself but now that you say it, I'm all nodding and feeling like part of the collective. :)

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Now stop the flamethrower and sit down to think.

Is banning a mass solution? No. CCP hit the exploits inventors, initiator and - when the exploit could be contained - all of the offenders.

So, when the "FW Forex" was born, they punished the few who were the "inventors", but did not hit the number of others who copied them (there were, there were).

When the POS T2 exploit became widely spread, they acted like they did with T2 BPOs: they could not ban thousands of players (in a game whose sub numbers are limited) so they just fixed it. In the case of bugs, they could be fixed like you fix a leak, when stuff is handed to large numbers, and many got the stuff in a legitimate way, you can't just tell them they shall be punished like the guility ones. This usually causes very bad press, lots of people quitting and so on.
EvE by then had fewer subs than even today, it could have not recovered from the blow.




Keep repeating the mantra to yourself, it makes it true!

Never mind it was a lottery with more than 10 or 100 participants, never mind CCP might have taken action to the specific cases they could find, while leaving the legit T2 BPOs to everybody else who won them in a legit way.




To be perfectly honest, by now you should have learned the EvE "vibe". If you don't like a dirty game on all its dimensions then you should not even be here.

I have chosen to play EvE in the most honest way I could, but MANY wanted a MMO where they could act like they could never do in any other MMO. They got it. You either accept EvE's reality or keep complaining, it won't change a comma.

It was not replaced, it was made obsolete (with wildly degrees of success) by flanking it with a new one. Again, not a 100% success, nor I'd expect CCP to be able and completely fix such an huge mess. The "patch" they put was good enough though, in fact invention manufacturers (both BPC manufacturers and finished items manufacturers) had plenty to earn. Yes they had to pick what to make, avoiding the niches where T2 BPOs were overhelmingly profitable and the market too tiny to exhaust BPO holders production capabilities. But even T1 manufacturers have to pick the profitable markets, avoiding some very good meta items competition and many other factors.




Let me remind you that EvE is a Sun Tsu game:

"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease"