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If you were in a null sec power bloc and used supers instead of tornados, this wouldnt be an issue. What were you thinking?

Still Waiting.

Let the view count climb.

On an unrelated note... How did you get so many likes Trouser?
#FreeAlgon

Unless you are part of a multi-thousand player power bloc, probably.

If you can't control your titan you should get relieved of it. Next up everyones gonna store en in a small pos because you can't lock it.

Unban the man ccp. You won't lose face anyways, there isnt any left.

Edit:

What happens if a fleet member bumps a titan before bridging. Same thing if you ask me so ban them as well?

This is going to sound like a broken record, but I am not going to stop until something is done. CCP please, it isn't funny, it isn't a joke. You are literally spitting in the face of every lowsec alliance, corp, and pilot and showing us that we are all worthless to you. We are your customers. We pay subscription fees. We need you to actually look at and respond to this in a serious and meaningful manner. According to the policy that you yourself laid out, Aglon should not be banned. It makes me question whether or not I want to continue giving you my money. Thus far you have been detestable, both in your lack of clarification and your lack of response and attention. CCP, you must realize the damage that you are causing here, please, please fix this.

CCP,

This decision you made to permaban Aglon is based on flawed logic. What you deem as an exploit is in fact a spatial mechanic that your game allows for. Your coding/programming allows for ships to be 'bumped' which extend past the safety of a POS shield. If a pilot doesn't want to be bumped, all he/she has to do is 'not' exit the POS shield. Pretty straight forward.

Your ban hammer is misplaced and is a terrible precedent to set for the game at large.

I am not a political animal, I don't hang around the forums. This is by choice. So in the two years I have played this game, if I do not know something is an exploit, would you ban me if I did it? If all I did was bump a ship that is bumpable because your coding is flawed? Effectively that's what you have done. You have banned someone for doing something the game allows by its nature. If you don't want people bumping ships outside of a POS shield, then put code into the game that prevents it.

Instead, you made Aglon your programmers' scapegoat. Rather than have your own staff held accountable to fix the real issue, you blame the players for doing what the game allows in its current state.

You have also changed the face of POS warfare with this decision. People will be afraid to bump ships that 'are' lockable, which IS a legal mechanic per your recent statements, because maybe at the instant the bump occurs, the ship is now far enough back inside the shield that it is no longer lockable. Is that ban worthy?

What if enterprising corps put a fleet of capitals on the POS edge, half lockable, half not, but able to pop out on a moment's notice. If you bump the lockable ones, the unlockable ones get bumped too. Is that ban worthy?

Rather than have your players' creativity stymied, fix your frigging code. Then no one (not you, not the players) has to worry about it. And for goodness sake, unban Aglon. He should not be held accountable because of the game's inherent programming flaws. If you want to reimburse the Titan, sure whatevs. But the permaban is unreasonable, not warranted, and masks the real underlying issue.

-D

@CCP, You really need to make an open clarification about this issue.

There is still no official statement about bumping a ship that is partiality outside of the POS shields.

We all accept that deliberately exploiting the server mechanics to get a ship inside of the forcefield is an exploit, either by bridging/jumping a large amount of ships to a cyno lit directly on the target POS's forcefield, or by using an absurdly fast ship to penetrate the POS field prior to the server tick throwing it out.

Everyone agree's that these are exploits and should now deserve warnings/bans.

However that is not the issue on the table, the issue comes from the tactic of bumping a ship which for whatever reason is not entirely inside the POS forcefields. Various situations like this occur on a daily basis, without clear guidance we all risk crossing an invisible line that doesn't seem static from what has been suggested previously in the loose explanations of DEV/GM staff.

If a ship/titan or otherwise is partially out of the shield but unlockable I can still interact with it's hull by hitting it with another ship. If I bump the ship far enough out of the shield so that I can lock, fire, board & steal is that classed as an exploit?

We can't use the "un-interactable" test as it's possible to use (interact) a titan bridge from well outside of a POS field whilst the titan itself is "safe" inside. It is also still clear from other threads (mining bumping) that normal bump tackle/bumping is an acceptable policy elsewhere within the EVE universe, so is it now unacceptable in terms of POS mechanics?

The ban itself isn't the issue now, the issue is clarification of the rules. Can you (CCP) explain the rules so we can learn NOT to break them by using a mechanic that is known to be perfectly acceptable elsewhere within the game.

The rest of us would like to learn from the transgression, rather than get caught out and banned by what is now an extremely gray area.

I'm quickly running out of the patience required to keep pouring money into a game where I may be arbitrarily banned for undefined reasons.

This is impacting our alliances playstyle, and forcing us to second guess any engagements that occur in or around the edge of a POS shield, which is a sizeable part of our content.

The lowsec community is requesting a response from CCP on this thread and it's subject matter. This issue needs to be fully clarified.

#freeaglon

And so another day passes, as the alliances and coalitions of nullsec continue to play the game without a care. We here in lowsec continue to stand up for each other and wonder if we will be banned for what used to be one of the most enjoyable and fulfilling endeavours a solo lowsec pilot could embark upon.

#FreeAlgon