EVE General Discussion

Neither are yours actually. I didn't read anywhere that he wanted to stay clueless.

I'm still a new player and the best advice I can give is do lots of research on your own. Read about minimizing risk and safe flying techniques for low and null sec. Bookmark bookmark bookmark with a good naming convention. Unscrew up your overview. Don't ever fly with implants if you are doing pvp with a young character. Never get pissed at getting podded. Try to fly in fleets as much as possible and soak in everything your FC says. Ignore the bittervets who only troll forums... And blow up anyone and everyone you think you can (outside of hi sec of course...unless you want to be a ganker).

Stand your ground. A lot of these older players feel that the game is only meant to be played one way, their way. So give them the big middle finger if they decide to be asshats and ride your ass. Do what makes you happy as long as it isn't whining on the forums.

And most importantly (IMO) remember that it's a PvP game....but not necessarily a one on one PvP game. Outnumber your opponent and dust him when you can. Be like a rabid pack of poodles.

LOL. Because being alive and playing a videogame can in any way be equated.




PCU does not equal subs, and that's a common enough fallacy that no one here should be fool enough to use it.

Nevermind that, demonstrably and historically, lowering the bar helps no one. Especially if it comes at the cost of the core values of the game, which is really what this is all about, not the nebulous "NPE" people keep crying about.

[edit: Let me elaborate on that last point. EVE, like any other game, has it's core values. That makes it what it is. Some people don't like one or two of those, and would like to claim that subscriptions would rise if only those things were done away with. This is pretty much always a lie, and typically is accompanied by fear mongering and trying to claim that the game will die if the specific thing that they want isn't catered to.

I believed what you said is your true feelings about the game.

New players wanted to be cared. Verteran players also wanted to be cared, although some may sound harsh and cold to new players. Most are not against you. They just don't want CCP to make the game too easy. They want a hard and challenging game so that achievements in the game are meaningful and fun. They also don't want any damage to the status and knowledge they have spent years to acquire in the game. EVE is more than 10 years old. Many players have been playing the game for a long period of time. Imagine that you were a verteran player who have spent years to acquire in-game skills and learnt the rope to survive the game. You will expect you should have some advantages over new comers. You don't want a one month old new player on par with you. This is human nature. If CCP change the rule so that new players can fight and defend as effective as a verteran player, it will be most verteran players that will leave the game. CCP just cannot afford to get unstable new players at the expense of old loyal customers.

What CCP is trying to do now is to make the game easy to begin with but take a long time to master any one aspect of the game. It is part of their business model, so do not expect they will change it. New players cannot compete with verterans in term of skill-points in a short period of time, but it is possible to get same level of game knowledge by doing research on the web and asking right persons in the game. So be competitive in knowledge first.

As others have pointed out, if most new players find their life is too difficult within the first few months, more is needed to be done to improve the new player experience. Afterall, we want CCP to get new players to replace unsubs as a sustainable business so that they can keep developing EVE for our enjoyment.

Well things were a lot harder for new players when I started and I was in lowsec within a month and in 0.0 essentially solo within 2 months.

Exactly how much easier should it be?

i disagree with the premise that its a "problem" that eve is complex and difficult to gain traction in. ccp has said they have no issue with the game weeding out their unintended audience. a person crying about bubbles and saying this is a reason nobody plays eve.... unintended audience.

i skipped the tutorial as well, but i have a off and on relationship with EVE. i enjoy playing but i get bored real fast. Fortunately i have a good RL friend that keeps me playing,

Your statement reinforces the OPs thesis rather well, as it highly unlikely that someone will try an mmo for a year to see if they like it.

OP, while the points you raise are more or less true, I honestly fail to see why a new EVE player should have any sort of problem because of them. Let me be specific:

If your corp can't ensure your safety, just drop it and find another one; in the meanwhile you can explore, trade, mine, mission in highsec as much as you want, with very slim chances of anyone ganking you. So where's the problem?

Nullsec can be dangerous. Until you learn how to safely navigate bubbles, just stay out of it. By the way, SP makes no difference in bubble evasion (except being able to fly inties, but inties aren't good explo ships). So where's the problem?

Lowsec can be dangerous. Again, until you learn how to survive, just stay out of it. Again, SP makes no difference in staying alive in lowsec. As others have said, you can make decent ISK (LP) with zero effort with an unfitted frigate if you defensive-plex. Regarding PVP, yes it's not easy (especially solo) but again, the difference is player knowledge, skill and experience. SP matters very little (go check my killboard for Sept. 2013 if you want - I was 1 month 'old' and managed to kill - and die - a total of over 200 times). So where's the problem?

Maybe the problem is your expectations? Maybe you want to be 'the invincible superhero' right from day one?

If that's the case, you're better off in any one of the 'themepark' games.

EVE at its core is a competitive game. That means that skill, knowledge, experience (and - to an extent - SP) actually matter.

If a month-old newbro could easily 'win' over 5-year old vets that have put passion, time, thought and effort in the game, there would be no point in playing more than a month, would there?

Yes, the large number of new players who joined *not all of whom have left*. The influx was well above eves baseline growth rate, so you could calll it an artificial inflation, a bubble, a boom and bust or w/e. All eve did was crash a bit from a it of rapid growth but i doubt the baseline wasnt affected much.

Also, the qen stopped before 2013 i believe and the tinfoily "eve is dying, theyre masking sub numbers" surface. Then the 500k figure... And now back to tinfoil.

People always say eve is losing subs.... Meanwhile eve is 11 years old and is the only mmo that experienced 10 consecutive years of growth...

So no i am not inclined to believe narratives of a hemhorraging sub count. Worst case scenario we lost some boomers and a couple of vets.... Worst case is still not a very big deal

I typed this whole **** on a phone

Have I read this garbage before somewhere? Its like smelling the same bad fart twice.