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Harder punishment for High-Sec carebears
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Tinu Moorhsum
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#21 - 2014-09-25 20:39:36 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


Edit: To further clarify, you seem to be thinking I have some desire to fight industrial players or mess with the economy. I dont. I want to see the game expand, and I want to see players attracted to other areas. The only way that happens.... is to give those areas something that cannot be found within the security blanket of highsec.


Years ago I would have agreed with you.

But the fact is, the ISK in EVE -- on the level of an individual player -- is not in nullsec. Ratting is good and you can make 100mil an hour on that but even that is peanuts. T2 production in high-sec makes 100mil per real-life hour per character if you know what you're doing and the risk is minimal.

The point being that we have to let go of the idea that big money *should* be in nullsec. It simply isn't. It never has been. On the alliance level it works differently but individual players who are ratting or mining in null sec and thinking they're getting the best deal in EVE would appear to have missed the point.

T-
Leto Thule
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Caldari State
#22 - 2014-09-25 20:48:55 UTC
Tinu Moorhsum wrote:


But the fact is, the ISK in EVE -- on the level of an individual player -- is not in nullsec. Ratting is good and you can make 100mil an hour on that but even that is peanuts. T2 production in high-sec makes 100mil per real-life hour per character if you know what you're doing and the risk is minimal.


I cant dispute this, as I know absolutely nothing about running a manufacturing or trade empire. And you know what? Kudos to the guys who can do this. The best thing about them... is that they arent the ones asking for the risk mitigation. They understand that blown up ships mean more sales.

This post is geared towards the nerfmongers. The miners, the mission runners, the explorers... who want interaction with other players to be optional. Please also take that in context. I am not referring to ALL miners, mission runners, or explorers. Just the ones who cry about being blown up. The ones who want MY game to change so it is easier for them.

This is still EvE. Its suppose to be rough, right?

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Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#23 - 2014-09-25 20:50:49 UTC
Posting in a stealth "NerfConcord BuffGanking UnbanErotica1 NerfAfkCloaking BringbackBoomerangGanking BuffWardecs RemoveConcord RemoveHighsec RemoveMining Codealwayswins PsychoticmonkforCSM" thread.

Other than that, the ideas are actually pretty good, especially this one:

Leto Thule wrote:
Buff rats in belts. Give them web/scram/smartbombs. The longer someone sits in a belt, the stronger class of rat spawns in


^This needs to happen in 0.5 systems. Buff the belt rats. Not only their DPS and tank, but also that well-known Gurista ECM which most miners complain about (actually it looks like they complain about everythingBig smile). I believe it can be an effective way of reducing excessive AFK mining in high sec.

Buff the Guristas!

Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#24 - 2014-09-25 20:58:25 UTC
Came hoping to hear about my promised Thanatos. Am not yet satisfied. If Leto wants my vote for CSM, I need that Thanny.

And preferably a Fedo.

I'm getting...hungry....

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Jebediah Beane
Trent Industries
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#25 - 2014-09-25 21:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jebediah Beane
If those changes were to be implemented the highsec bears would run from Eve in droves. CCP will never step that far...

Leto Thule wrote:
Its only fair that both sides have their own thread.


  • Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.




    • I do see potential with this statement above however... I would suggest that instead of a member not being allowed to leave during a war whatsoever, expand that to where a corp member or corporation may not leave a corporation or alliance for 7 days during a war (You click the leave button and are immediately entered into a 7 day stasis). Whilst, the aggressor may still choose to continue the wardec for as long as needed. I'd imagine this would really enhance the current functionality of the broken wardec system.

    I'll also agree with you to a point that the NPC corporations current implementation and purpose needs a complete overhaul. It is way too much of a safe haven from the intent of what Eve is all about.
    Kaely Tanniss
    Black Lotus Society.
    #26 - 2014-09-25 21:37:18 UTC
    I support this this thread and most of the actions proposed by the OP..with some adjustments. +1

    It seems those carebears who constantly complain about people telling them how to play the game are doing the very thing they complain about..

    I've got my bathing suit ready for the wave of tears this thread will bring. Lol

    If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
    Tengu Grib
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #27 - 2014-09-25 21:41:03 UTC
    Bronson Hughes wrote:
    Came hoping to hear about my promised Thanatos. Am not yet satisfied. If Leto wants my vote for CSM, I need that Thanny.

    And preferably a Fedo.

    I'm getting...hungry....


    Oh my god.. I still haven't sent you that... god I'm such a tool. I'm making a reminder in my phone.

    Rabble Rabble Rabble

    Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
    Tengu Grib
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #28 - 2014-09-25 21:43:27 UTC
    Azov Rassau wrote:
    Posting in a stealth "NerfConcord BuffGanking UnbanErotica1 NerfAfkCloaking BringbackBoomerangGanking BuffWardecs RemoveConcord RemoveHighsec RemoveMining Codealwayswins PsychoticmonkforCSM" thread.

    Stealth?

    Rabble Rabble Rabble

    Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
    Bronson Hughes
    The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
    #29 - 2014-09-25 22:18:40 UTC
    Tengu Grib wrote:
    Oh my god.. I still haven't sent you that... god I'm such a tool. I'm making a reminder in my phone.

    Confirming that Tengu Grib is, in fact, a tool.

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    Kiryen O'Bannon
    GoonWaffe
    Goonswarm Federation
    #30 - 2014-09-25 22:56:51 UTC
    Renegade Heart wrote:
    Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
    This should also be a tip to anyone who considers rage-decing a null sec entity. Logistics are ALREADY organised around wardecs because wardecs are constant. Adding one more wardec to the list isn't going to change things one iota. All it's going to do is make YOU a target.


    Have you seen the stats on the marmite war dec on brave newbies? That's a war dec corp vs a null sec entity, and marmite are winning by a huge margin.


    That's because we're always recruiting newbies that dont know any better who Marmites then farm. Eventuly they learn not to go to trade hubs. BRAVE doesn't even try to fight Marmites as an organization; itd just be a pain in the ass. If we showed up in a bunch of.. well anything, theyd just dock.

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    Lugia3
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #31 - 2014-09-25 23:04:14 UTC
    Leto for CSM!

    "CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
    Tengu Grib
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    #32 - 2014-09-25 23:23:47 UTC
    Bronson Hughes wrote:
    Tengu Grib wrote:
    Oh my god.. I still haven't sent you that... god I'm such a tool. I'm making a reminder in my phone.

    Confirming that Tengu Grib is, in fact, a tool.

    Confirmation verified. There is actually a reminder in my phone now though.

    Rabble Rabble Rabble

    Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
    Leto Thule
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #33 - 2014-09-26 01:38:12 UTC
    Bronson Hughes wrote:
    Came hoping to hear about my promised Thanatos. Am not yet satisfied. If Leto wants my vote for CSM, I need that Thanny.

    And preferably a Fedo.

    I'm getting...hungry....


    Confirming I'll provide a tranny to Bronson asap.

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    Lan Wang
    Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
    Safety. Net
    #34 - 2014-09-26 06:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
    Incursions moving i agree with as there is too much isk with little risk, everything else can be avoided by simply moving to null and ignoring highsec

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    Ima Wreckyou
    The Conference Elite
    Safety.
    #35 - 2014-09-26 09:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima Wreckyou
    Tinu Moorhsum wrote:

    The fact of teh matter is, however, that the chest thumping too-much-chest-hair swaggalicious minority who think they're too sexy for their kestrels are actually not the majority of EVE players at all. Moreover, we owe our lifestyle to those who putter around and fill the market with the things we buy.

    Personally, it's doesn't matter to me at all if someone makes their money on modules that they made in high-sec, low-sec or null-sec. In fact, economically speaking, the high-sec producers are my best friends becasue they can make things with the least amount of overhead. If a high-sec producer becomes rich.... MEH.... who cares. What matters is that the economy works.

    A lot of us Highsec gankers also produce the stuff we actually use and don't rely on the highsec carebears. The only input I need in fact is the ore that drops from the miners and some t2 materials that come directly from null/low sec. Manufacturing is incredibly easy and fits perfectly into the first few criminal timers of the day.

    The game is actually much more interesting if you don't rely on them for production and simply use them as targets.

    Evil RatKid
    Bronson Hughes
    The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
    #36 - 2014-09-26 11:54:27 UTC
    Leto Thule wrote:
    Bronson Hughes wrote:
    Came hoping to hear about my promised Thanatos. Am not yet satisfied. If Leto wants my vote for CSM, I need that Thanny.

    And preferably a Fedo.

    I'm getting...hungry....


    Confirming I'll provide a tranny to Bronson asap.

    No no no. It's the Thorax that's the phallic symbol, not the Thanatos....

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    Ned Thomas
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #37 - 2014-09-26 12:56:53 UTC
    To hell with CSM. Make Leto a dev.

    And bigger is ALWAYS a better phallic symbol, regardless of shape.
    Bronson Hughes
    The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
    #38 - 2014-09-26 13:02:24 UTC
    Ned Thomas wrote:
    To hell with CSM. Make Leto a dev.

    And bigger is ALWAYS a better phallic symbol, regardless of shape.

    But but but...it's a Thorax....

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    Tinu Moorhsum
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    #39 - 2014-09-26 14:06:15 UTC
    Leto Thule wrote:


    This post is geared towards the nerfmongers. The miners, the mission runners, the explorers... who want interaction with other players to be optional. Please also take that in context. I am not referring to ALL miners, mission runners, or explorers. Just the ones who cry about being blown up. The ones who want MY game to change so it is easier for them.

    This is still EvE. Its suppose to be rough, right?


    Agreed. I would be against a sector of EVE where PVP is consensual, which is what much of the moaning seems to boil down to.

    There are other games for that.

    T-
    Tinu Moorhsum
    Random Events
    #40 - 2014-09-26 14:19:46 UTC
    Ima Wreckyou wrote:


    A lot of us Highsec gankers also produce the stuff we actually use and don't rely on the highsec carebears. The only input I need in fact is the ore that drops from the miners and some t2 materials that come directly from null/low sec. Manufacturing is incredibly easy and fits perfectly into the first few criminal timers of the day.

    The game is actually much more interesting if you don't rely on them for production and simply use them as targets.


    Sounds nice and hairy chested on the surface but I seriously doubt anyone could do that.

    Take a T2 damage control, for example. If you really wanted to make one yourself from scratch it would require you to engage in

    - moon mining
    - reactions
    - planetary interaction
    - mining, specifically mining in nullsec or a wormhole
    - running data sites and/or missions for invention input materials
    - invention
    - production
    - hauling

    That would be a lot of work for one module and if you consider that the hauling, mining, reactions, moon mining, mission running and PI all require components like POS modules, command centres and additional ships and modules... by the time you actually built your first T2 damage control from scratch you'd be broke and frustrated.

    ... and that's only one module.

    So yeah, I don't care if you enjoy blowing up helpless noobs in high sec, but you're deluding yourself if you think your content doesn't rely on them just the same.

    T-