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[Oceanus] Interceptor Updates

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#381 - 2014-09-25 01:51:09 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Just want to point out: if you aren't using T2 or Faction LML, you are getting nerfed even more due to module tiericide.

I'd note that just because it's on SiSi doesn't mean it's coming with Oceanus.
They didn't list missile launchers in the module list they were tiericiding, so that could just be an early Sisi update for the next release also that isn't finalised yet.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#382 - 2014-09-25 01:51:24 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
perhaps the raptor could get a stronger damage bonus?

you can get over 200dps before heat with current raptor. Think thats plenty. Plus caldari blaster boats are more optimal bonused than gal, which are damage/tracking based. with raptor changes i can still get over 200dps, now it will have a web <3


over 200 dps?? .. seems unlikely . unless you sacrificed your tank for it


[Raptor, Blaptor]
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II

5k EHP roughly, 211 DPS, 242 with heat. Okish for solo'ing in LS, just treat it like a claw/crusader, assume 3rd mid is always an MSE or MASB. With null shoots out at scram range, and still does around 170-190dps at 8km. With the buff, i can fit a web, and still have room for MWD, though i think you have to drop down to ions.

Now that it has a web, it should be able to handle a ranis quite easily, since it will out range it. Raptor is also faster, so it can outpace the taranis in the scram/web race.

From what i can tell, if you go max dps on both fits, the raptor will win in EHP, and its going to come down to the raptor controlling range from the beginning. Otherwise the high dps of the ranis will overwhelm the tank. So, it comes down more to pilot skill, as it should, instead of inferior slot layout.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

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Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#383 - 2014-09-25 02:58:07 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
I'd note that just because it's on SiSi doesn't mean it's coming with Oceanus.
They didn't list missile launchers in the module list they were tiericiding, so that could just be an early Sisi update for the next release also that isn't finalised yet.

Actually, they did.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#384 - 2014-09-25 03:26:09 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
I'd note that just because it's on SiSi doesn't mean it's coming with Oceanus.
They didn't list missile launchers in the module list they were tiericiding, so that could just be an early Sisi update for the next release also that isn't finalised yet.

Actually, they did.

Well dang, I just read the print version and I'm sure they weren't in that.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#385 - 2014-09-25 03:32:51 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Komi Toran wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
I'd note that just because it's on SiSi doesn't mean it's coming with Oceanus.
They didn't list missile launchers in the module list they were tiericiding, so that could just be an early Sisi update for the next release also that isn't finalised yet.

Actually, they did.

Well dang, I just read the print version and I'm sure they weren't in that.

Yea, they're being pretty slippery with the tiericide info so far. But, hey, there's still 5 days for feedback on it... Roll
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#386 - 2014-09-25 03:36:39 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:

Yea, they're being pretty slippery with the tiericide info so far. But, hey, there's still 5 days for feedback on it... Roll

If T2 stay the same and T1 either stay the same or get better, I'm ok with stuff in the middle moving, hard to say if it will be appropriate since some of it probably is meant as a nerf to meta 4, since meta 4 was too good in some cases relative to T2 anyway. But yea, would be nice to get info or get it bumped.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#387 - 2014-09-25 06:08:37 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
I'd note that just because it's on SiSi doesn't mean it's coming with Oceanus.
They didn't list missile launchers in the module list they were tiericiding, so that could just be an early Sisi update for the next release also that isn't finalised yet.

Actually, they did.


its funny though, he did not say missile launchers yet it comes up on he text. He also mentions that they will no important stuff like guns later which confuses the matter even more. (Are missiles not important ?)

Only time will tell i guess.
Zao Elongur
Porphyr Empire
#388 - 2014-09-25 11:10:14 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Just want to point out: if you aren't using T2 or Faction LML, you are getting nerfed even more due to module tiericide.


Ok, so malediction gets a triple nerf ...

at least we get to choose short range ammo to increase our dps in shorter ranges ... oh yeah i forgot , thats only for turrets :/
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#389 - 2014-09-25 11:12:02 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Komi Toran wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
I'd note that just because it's on SiSi doesn't mean it's coming with Oceanus.
They didn't list missile launchers in the module list they were tiericiding, so that could just be an early Sisi update for the next release also that isn't finalised yet.

Actually, they did.


its funny though, he did not say missile launchers yet it comes up on he text. He also mentions that they will no important stuff like guns later which confuses the matter even more. (Are missiles not important ?)

Only time will tell i guess.

I noticed that as well and had similar thoughts, but I decided that it's probably more likely that he just forgot and doesn't view the LML nerf "important" in the bigger scheme.
Of course, we could stop with the conspiracy crafting if they would find the time to get around to posting the tiericide info for the patch that drops in 5 days. Or, maybe, it's a surprise! Lol
The interceptor and interdictor threads are 8 days old now, 5 days to the patch, and still no Devs to be seen around these parts....
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#390 - 2014-09-25 11:58:30 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
I noticed that as well and had similar thoughts, but I decided that it's probably more likely that he just forgot and doesn't view the LML nerf "important" in the bigger scheme.

More likely that the change was not finished when he did the interview and he didn't know if it would be ready for Oceanus, but it was implemented in time for editing.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#391 - 2014-09-25 13:32:21 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
I noticed that as well and had similar thoughts, but I decided that it's probably more likely that he just forgot and doesn't view the LML nerf "important" in the bigger scheme.

More likely that the change was not finished when he did the interview and he didn't know if it would be ready for Oceanus, but it was implemented in time for editing.

8 days it was in the interceptor thread with the statement wording that it will happen. I should clarify, I mean that I think it's as simple as he forgot to say LML changes for the video, although you could be right as well depending on when he aat down for the interview.
The not viewig LMLs as important is my forum paranoia showing itself, Dev conspiracies dontcha know.
Faren Shalni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#392 - 2014-09-25 14:57:43 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Andrew Indy wrote:
Komi Toran wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
I'd note that just because it's on SiSi doesn't mean it's coming with Oceanus.
They didn't list missile launchers in the module list they were tiericiding, so that could just be an early Sisi update for the next release also that isn't finalised yet.

Actually, they did.


its funny though, he did not say missile launchers yet it comes up on he text. He also mentions that they will no important stuff like guns later which confuses the matter even more. (Are missiles not important ?)

Only time will tell i guess.

I noticed that as well and had similar thoughts, but I decided that it's probably more likely that he just forgot and doesn't view the LML nerf "important" in the bigger scheme.
Of course, we could stop with the conspiracy crafting if they would find the time to get around to posting the tiericide info for the patch that drops in 5 days. Or, maybe, it's a surprise! Lol
The interceptor and interdictor threads are 8 days old now, 5 days to the patch, and still no Devs to be seen around these parts....


Devs have been a lot quieter theses days. you should see the WH thread on mass changes, the ratio of dev responses to player questions is astronomically bad

So Much Space
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#393 - 2014-09-25 16:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Well folks, here it is.
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/rebalancing-eve-one-module-at-a-time
Finally......

Edit: And I can't say that I'm thrilled that every light missile boat just got stomped on with a "slight" ~7% damage nerf.
If 7% is "slight", what was the 2.5% that the Ishtar got? Slap on the wrist?
Edmund Andre
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#394 - 2014-09-25 17:56:48 UTC
I'm confused, if these are just to tackle with, why do they have any offensive bonuses at all? Take my rocket bonuses from my mal and give me more tackle power anytime! I'm still likely to fill the highs with whatever fits after I've fit the rest of my slots and rigs... You want a damaging inty? Take the combat one that sux ;)
And to those that want to take the bubble immunity from the inties, hush...
Jak'at
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#395 - 2014-09-25 18:56:57 UTC
Crow gets better. Malediction gets worse.
WRONG DIRECTION, CCP.

As if Interceptors somehow have 'too much DPS'..
Who the f_ck wants to fly a rocket interceptor?

I TACKLED HIM, BUT HE SCRAMMED ME. WEIRD.



Longdrinks
Zero Fun Allowed
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#396 - 2014-09-25 19:27:27 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Well folks, here it is.
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/rebalancing-eve-one-module-at-a-time
Finally......

Edit: And I can't say that I'm thrilled that every light missile boat just got stomped on with a "slight" ~7% damage nerf.
If 7% is "slight", what was the 2.5% that the Ishtar got? Slap on the wrist?

2,5 times 5 adds up to a 12,5% which is how much a hac5 ishtar got its tracking and range nerfed with that. Please factcheck your posts before putting them out there.
Capqu
Half Empty
xqtywiznalamywmodxfhhopawzpqyjdwrpeptuaenabjawdzku
#397 - 2014-09-25 20:00:27 UTC
patch notes out but you still wont even respond when everyone agrees the malediction changes are pointless

i know you don't do balance by consensus but actually communicating why you're doing something for once would be nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#398 - 2014-09-25 20:05:43 UTC
nope, don't like some of the tiericide.

Seems like ccp is trying to simplify the games modules too much.

To me it looks like everything will follow this category route:

1. Noob sh*t
2. Somewhat effective sh*t.
3 T2 Sh*t......

I for one liked the variety that the wealth of ship modules bring. Each different type has different cost and fitting stats. There should b more manufacturers that produce different types of t2 stuff as well. Everyone right now is just building the same stuff.

Theres nothing wrong with meta 4's. They have the same or almost the same damage modifiers for guns and launchers as their t2 counterparts, but have lower fitting requirements. The downside is that they can cost over 2-3x as much as t2, and weapons cannot use the specialized weapon skills or ammo of t2 variations.

Light missiles are fine leave them alone. 
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Vincintius Agrippa
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#399 - 2014-09-25 20:10:15 UTC
Another thing I don't understand is why the crow is getting a explosion radius bonus in replace of its damage bonus. Why? Most of the time these ships will be catching bigger ships anyway so explosion radius is irrelevant. 
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#400 - 2014-09-25 21:40:13 UTC
CCP could the ranis get some extra pg so it can use that spare high for a nos?
alternatively move that mostly useless high too a lowslot .. ares already has it

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using