Wormholes

mh, I just say your data is redundant no matter what ship you use.
You are the one bringing up numbers based on ship type, not me.
Blue loot price did not change in the past 2 years - thats were the isk is.
Ribbon prices got down because of ... numbers c6 groups likes to keep under the carpet.

Read the whole thread, some interesting points. I'd like to re-iterate two of them.



This is 100% true, in logical situations and in my personal experience. If I rock 100m/hr in a solo tengu running C3 anoms I'm fine with that, Tengu is paid in 4 hours, rest is profit. If I include scanning, warp in + scout? 90m in the hour is about right.

Furthermore, a bad static = no isk at all. You can't farm an active hole, it's impossible and/or suicidal. This happens, more than you might think. I can run highsec incursions all day once i've got into the fleet, no issues at all.

Secondly -




Both true. MNR price is down from 2 years ago Here's the past year of MNR price history, clear drop and blue loot buy orders haven't changed a single cent. You could 'fix' (and I use that word lightly, income isn't broken, just needs an iteration or two) WH income by updating the prices of bloot buy orders.

Oh, and one of my own points - salvage all your wrecks, keep MNRs, trash the rest. So much salvage and it's all worthless. Giving a solid, new, use for the salvage that is not MNRs would go a long way to smoothing out the kinks right now.

Note that he didn't say to increase them. He said to update them.

Sure, back when I used to do HS missions you'd get a random drop in every week or two. Granted this was back when Suddenly Ninja's were in full swing and there's been changes since then that have kinda hurt that playstyle but the potential is still there.

I see guys here talking indirectly about nerfing cap escalations.
So I'd like to openly talk about it
1. We as a corp can cap escalate. Our reality is: four to six guys, average 200-250m isk/h. No we don't particularly suck, but we try and include newbros in wspace.
2. I'm aware that it's possible to make almost 1b per hour if you're multiboxing 7 toons between 2 players. What about it? It means you're multitasking between loki's webs and painters, archon's reps, moros' locks, warping second archon, salvaging in a top noctis, while risking a 15b+ fleet, prone to DC once in a while (yeah some of us live in Brazil), prone to sweet ganks (often; ask lzhx or ssc), being occasionally interrupted by new sig....
3. From our experience, average site spawn is one per day. That means we can pass a whole week without bearing, during which we ofc whelp ships in pvp attempts ( because we are entitled to suck, what's the problem). Generally we won't be doing sites everyday, we won't be doing more than 2 or 3 in a day, so we won't really be making more than 100m/day/month each.
4. One thing people always forget to mention is: in factional warfare, at tier 4, unless you really really suck, it's very easy to make 300m/h lazily, in a 300m fit stealth bomber, safely because you sig tank the mission sites 100+ km away from the entry beacon. In tier 5 we're talking about 800m/h. I've been there. I've done that. Many militias know how to keep high tier for several weeks till they get bored of raking in isk. Ask the Chesterfield Fancypantz guy. And most have alts in all 4 factions lol meaning they can make it almost everyday, almost all the year. They'll prolly suicide long before that because, lv4 militia missions.

so, if you're risking 15+ billion fleets in order to make much isk in cap escalations, what of it. I'd like to know why it should be nerfed. Specially considering many people don't, most actually use 4-6 or even more players in fleet, averaging Corbexx' numbers in noho.
Thx and sorry for long text.

Other then low class (1-2) income doesn't need much of a buff. What it needs is a scaleing mechanism that allows group running to be as or more profitable then solo.

You don't all you can do is make it more difficult to multibox on a large scale. Just look at incursions and mining, isboxer and other large scale multiboxing create the same problem everywere. Also flat buffing sites would have the same effect on the multiboxing crowed, and solo will remain the better profit option for the rest of us.

Is it a problem with multiboxing? Depends on how you think about it, I think. A ship is a ship regardless of who is piloting it. I'm perfectly fine with someone managing to multi-box sites on their own and reap the reward themselves. Of PvP occurs it's my personal experience that a multi-boxer is at a bot of a disadvantage since there suddenly gets to be a lot to analyze and do.

The scaling thing exists in the C5-6, no? The escalation I mean. Perhaps something like that could be implemented? I dunno.

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Yes, I agree.
The context tho, is that, currently, it's more profitable to solo a C5 core garrison with a paladin than doing full cap escalations with 6 guys. This has the awkward potential of benefitting solo over group content, while actually killing home sites (you need to keep last trigger in the first wave alive in order to fully cap escalate for the next 3 days, tho it's still possible to solo non-escalate in the static (not possible to cap escalate the static, unless you solo dread - a very cool alternative - or do archon and subcaps - this one sucks)
The problem is that, in order to escalate rewards with number of players, as Mr. forsot suggested, we would have to be able to pick player numbers against alts. You see, with seven or eight alts it's possible to be stupidly spacerich in wspace in a month or so.
It would be nice if we had a mechanics separating players from alts in this specific case, therefore benefitting group content.

Oh nonono, the bulk of escalation income is from blue loot, which as you know is NPC price pinned. So yes, maybe mini escalations in low classes would be good? I'm not entirely sure. ... These things could be vastly discussed, as I've grown weary of CCP'S instalocking instapopping ninja features for wspace.