Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not for nothing, but their might be an issue where the game becomes such a non engaging time sink that people appreciate entertainment, like movies, to relieve the monotony....

I think one of the ideas here is to change that. Missions are not the answers. There are literally 10s of thousands of anoms that don't get bothered with every day. It's a mechanical issue, not a pve problem.

(Pro hint : adding more and/or different red plus signs to null will not cure the boredom)

Fountain war??? That's way back when eve was a pvp game. You've changed that. I'm not sure those guys and that spirit are around anymore.

This one time, in the Loot Cave....it was full of Blues!!!

And yet you still don't understand why your entire viewpoint on how this game should be developed should be ignored.

All of your experience and knowledge is versed in exactly the type of gameplay we should be trying to get rid of, not propagate.

I said it before, you're literally the winner of all the losers. All that's left in null is people obstinately determined to keep playing a game that is the opposite of fun.

No one cares about your ideas or your experiences.
Everything you know is in the exact opposite direction of game development that will attract people to Eve.

But I'm sure people like CCP Rise will be inclined agree with you.
(Which in itself can tell you everything you need to know. )

Game has stagnated due to all the evolutionary niches being filled. It used to be that if you got too big for a given niche you could move on to the next one and continue to grow. Those niches are all filled.

No maintenance costs in this game that force players to be active if they want to be strong.

Potential Solutions:
1. Extinction events - like when the dinosaurs were wiped off the planet by a meteor. Massive stockpiles of assets destroyed due to forces of nature like volcanoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc....
2. Destruction of unused assets over time. Nothing built requires no maintenance. Why should internet spaceships be the exception?

Examples:

o Sansha incursions programmed to attack 0.0 stations, POS and POCO structures in constellation. Not logged in? Your unstronted POS is gonna get cleared off the map.
o Sansha level incursions automatically destroy all assets of all unsubbed accounts in Constellation. This includes POS structures, POCOs, all items in your hangar, all ships logged off in space. Every asset.

o Hull HP of all assembled ships degrade over time. Must be repped occasionally and if Hull HP hit zero then ship is automatically reprocessed/destroyed.

o CONCORD wealth tax on all isk accounts to fund their activities. 1%/year, or make it a progressive tax so that the poorest 1% get hit with 0%/year and top 1% get hit with a 12%/year rate (whatever you want it to be).

on your 07 show you said you wont even look at sov changes unitl 2015. why the sudden change?

You don't see why the only groups/people left that gladly and masochistically embrace a terrible and stale endgame might not want to be tapped for info about ideas on making it interesting?

Do I think they attacked those towers for 12 hours because it was fun?
That question is irrelevant. Whether or not they enjoyed it makes no difference; either way, they willingly engage in it.

The correct question is: If they aren't playing the game because it's fun, then why are they?

A more difficult question to answer, one I'm guessing many of them can't answer themselves.

(The alternative is assuming they do find such activities fun. Which again should be self evident that such a group should not be tapped for more ideas about what they think is engaging and acceptable gameplay.)

It's there where we can see that what motivates them is not likely what is going to motivate the average person wondering what to game to spend their spare $15/mo on.

That is why you don't want to listen to them.
If they had any clue regarding what made for good gameplay, they wouldn't be who they were.
Their minds are stuck inside the box. And that's the last place we should be looking for answers.

We aren't trying to propagate the status quo.
We want to bring players to this game. In big numbers I might add.

Not cater to those willing to spend 12 hour slogs so they can be king of the people that don't enjoy the game but keep playing it anyways. Proud to be the lords of afk empires staring at APIs and drafting out of game applications to give themselves a leg up on their ~srs bsns spcships~ . A small and dwindling minority in comparison to the servers current population.

There is nothing you can do about such players, they will always exist. Respect them? Despise them? Makes little difference. Their organization and dedication will lead them to the top of the pile no matter what, as it rightly should.

But none of that serves as logical evidence of why they should be listened to above others for how to FIX null. As I've just explained, it's actually to the contrary.

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...And yes, my worrying ideas about power projection nerfs to regionalize null and open opportunities for rifts between massive blue lists, breaking up interdependency in the donut?

Or making moon resources dynamic and changing, opening up opportunity and driving player interaction content.... if not getting them out of the POS business entirely and putting that resource into belts with ships harvesting them?

Definitely the wrong way to go. What we need is more static resources that revolve around POS tower warfare.

The only thing concerning about Rise taking my ideas seriously
would be likely evidence of a drastic and medically impossible increasing of IQ... due to perhaps a brain tumor like that Travolta movie.

As has been pointed out, anoms have a hard cap of 10 people per system. If you want to get rid of the vast empires then you must change to a mission based income for line members so you can fit them all into less space. Its not a cure for boredom is to solve the empire sprawl issue.

Well you can find OTHER new forms of economic activity of change anomalies. Missiosn are one option, but not the ONLY way to do it.

IN fact I think multiple economic activities avenues would be the best way.

But one thing I agree, nerfing the mobility of capitals will NOT solve the problems by itself ( it can be a nice extra touch but will never be the core of the solution). While fleets of hundreds of capitals are so much needed to contest a system and is so easy to go form zero to 300 of them in a system in 15 seconds (making the usage of smaller fleets a suicide), then nerfign the mobility will solve nothing.



THe game needs tactical targets that can be harassed and damaged by small fleets, somethign to be possible to use a bit of "gerrilla tactics" without a frotnal clash, a place where massive super fleets are not the answer.

AND there must be a way to make that 2-3 capitals ships do not work just as super capital blob bait. And hte only way I see that possible is to make impossible to jump dozens of capitals at SAME time in a system.