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50% of all threads get locked... Wasn't EVE all about freedom?

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Solecist Project
#41 - 2014-09-25 06:12:26 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Satisfry wrote:
this is a pro

Maybe I should be a coward and use a forum alt to really drive home how relevant I am.

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Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#42 - 2014-09-25 06:20:53 UTC
ib4l (Discussion of moderation and bans or something like that)

Anyway, 5 threads on page 1 of GD. First was locked because there was an open thread about the same thing, 2nd was because it wasn't in English, 4th doesn't actually have a message posted, but looks to be a redunant post (it's abut the 2nd daily downtime), 5th because there are already threads about it, 6th because there are already threads about it.
In case you haven't guessed, people don't use the search function much.
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-09-25 06:29:25 UTC
Solette Cheli wrote:
ib4l (Discussion of moderation and bans or something like that)

Anyway, 5 threads on page 1 of GD. First was locked because there was an open thread about the same thing, 2nd was because it wasn't in English, 4th doesn't actually have a message posted, but looks to be a redunant post (it's abut the 2nd daily downtime), 5th because there are already threads about it, 6th because there are already threads about it.
In case you haven't guessed, people don't use the search function much.

They don't, yes.
It's in a bad place on the site, does not motivate useage and people don't care.
(to say nicely that they are daft)

The Daily Disconnect was a lighting-rod thread to catch all the ranters. pointing at the sticky thread
is completely disconnected from reality, because people do not work that way as i pointed out
in said sticky thread.

GD got considerably slower over the whole last twelve months. The problem is that there isn't really much
following what has left. We can hope that the era of ISD Ezwal brings change... but that's doubtfull.

Most of the time of the day it seems there are no ISDs and then,
in USTZ (where admittedly the most daft people live) we got TWO.


Well... that's how it is. *shrugs*
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Tamazaki
Doomheim
#44 - 2014-09-25 07:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamazaki
This forum is full of trolls, no wonder so many threads get locked when you look at the crappy predictable replies they get. Not to mention the deliberate derailing.
Serene Repose
#45 - 2014-09-25 07:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
Hi. Remember me? I left over locked posts. Sure you remember me!

This all began after the "burn Jita" incident. On the front end, out in the open, CCP "capitulated" on a few things (after a few failed attempts at trying to brass it out like only a few malcontents were "causing trouble.") However, on the back end (here) you saw a clamp down on the "types" of posts allowed. (Probably so the forum can never again be used as a vehicle to launch a public spectacle with CCP uncomfortablly in the spotlight.)

Essentially, IMO, any posts that seemed like free expression getting out of the gate were squelched. I went so far as to engage in a back and forth with management (including carefully gathered links and screenshots), and was essentially told, "Too bad. That's sad. Live with it."

I then began "ranting" about the corporate mentality taking OVER here, and the permanent loss of the character of the relationship between EVE players and management in which we had taken so much pride in the past (good old OLD days). This resulted in one lock after another, until it was clear CCP had no intention of discussing any of this - the standard corporate insulation between the little people on the street, and the important people in the upper floors of the skyscraper (with the ISDs in full cooperation as though they'd been given and are now following their marching orders.)

The discussion has now become too convoluted and tortured in its path for the average short-attention span to follow, so I don't post anymore. (Did you notice?) This is why: Pride. No corporation is that important, not even this Icelandic bunch of developmentally challenged ego trippers. TYVM

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We must accommodate the idiocracy.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-09-25 09:29:27 UTC
In before lock, as it's quite obviously discussing Forum moderation, which is agains a very clear rule on the forums.

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-09-25 09:41:09 UTC
So you want to see the same subject coming up in every post, never seeing any new ideas come up on forum?
You want the trolls to have free will to do whatever the **** they want with the forum?

Think before you post.
Vyl Vit
#48 - 2014-09-25 10:24:15 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
So you want to see the same subject coming up in every post, never seeing any new ideas come up on forum?
You want the trolls to have free will to do whatever the **** they want with the forum?

Think before you post.
Well, it is generally one subject line with one thread. When it gets locked, another appears. It's not as though the board is being flooded with rule breakers requiring a digital S.W.A.T. response.
When you post, don't exaggerate.

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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#49 - 2014-09-25 10:29:48 UTC
Creamdream wrote:
I don't get it.

In-game:


  • Do whatever you want.
  • Say whatever you want.
  • Scam whoever you want.


On forums:


  • Say one thing that ISD/CCP believe could potentially PUBLICLY harm the image of the game, even when in 90% of cases it doesn't
  • Thread gets closed based on invoking some vague forum rule


And I am not talking about my threads only.

Look at every page of general forum... HALF the threads are freaking locked. This is OUTRAGEOUS. Never witnessed this is any other game. Especially does not belong in a game that is supposedly all about FREEDOM.

No troll, stating the freaking facts and if you gonna troll on this OP then **** off... serious replies only. Think about it. WHY THE HELL should EVE, of all games, have such super strict forum policies?


You seem to be suffering from the mis-conception that you have some "rights" in the game and on the forums.

You have whatever "rights" CCP (who own and operate this service) give you.

Not sure why this kind of thread keeps coming up? It's as if there are a whole bunch of folks playing EVE who think it is some sort of public service they are entitled to.

Oh, also, IBTL.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2014-09-25 10:48:35 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
WOW!

THE KANE ... IS HERE!

haven't seen you in a while. ^_^


Traveling at the moment. Will be back into full swing mid December.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#51 - 2014-09-25 10:51:13 UTC
I like to bet ISK on which ISD applies the lock to the threads and if it will be with a funny comment or just serious and which rules will be cited and how long the threads will get before locked.

But it's so hard to collect on these bets after the thread gets locked. Hmmm. Maybe that needs its own thread. . . .

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-09-25 10:56:48 UTC
Player breaks rules in-game, they get punished, warned or banned.

Poster breaks rules on forum, they get punished, warned or banned.

These concepts are extremely hard to grasp and takes at least a 3-year education.
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#53 - 2014-09-25 11:00:34 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Player breaks rules in-game, they get punished, warned or banned.

Poster breaks rules on forum, they get punished, warned or banned.

These concepts are extremely hard to grasp and takes at least a 3-year education.


That. That right there!

So easy to comprehend.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#54 - 2014-09-25 11:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Priscilla Project
It's really interesting to see how some people understand "freedom"
as something that means they are allowed to do whatever they want ...
... but everyone else isn't.

What's hilarious on a personal level, is that these people have no understanding
of what freedom really is and simply keep doing what they perceive as a "want",
incapable of realising that a "want" simply is an expression of an inner state.

The worst of all people are hardcore individualists,
who are completely locked up in their egos.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#55 - 2014-09-25 11:28:20 UTC
Creamdream wrote:
....Thread gets closed based on invoking some vague forum rule.....
....Think about it. WHY THE HELL should EVE, of all games, have such super strict forum policies?....
The rules are neither vague or super strict. Now if they are enforced in a strict manner or not, is dependant on several factors. For example, starting the Nth thread on the recent disconnects is bound to get your thread locked, no matter how polite you are or how well written it is.

Angeal MacNova wrote:
It's worse than that. If a group doesn't like what you have to say, they will break all sorts of rules in the thread and the most likely result in the thread locked.

Goes to show who's in control...
I am.

And you better believe that on my watch those trolls get deleted and the thread gets set back on track in most cases. Even if it means deleting half of that thread.


That said, this thread gets a lock.

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