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Prototype: Dojos

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CCP Veritas
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2014-09-25 10:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Veritas
Greetings Spaceship Fighting Enthusiasts,

Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didn’t have the time to find a fight, or even fit a ship? Well, have I got the extremely rough prototype for you to try out on Duality! Introducing: Dojos!

As immortalized in the coolest video ever, I’ve done a lot of programming for EVE tournaments over the past couple years, so when I found myself with a couple months of spare time, we thought it’d be a good idea for me to take a stab at seeing what kind of experience I could craft around that style of gameplay while staying true to the sandbox of EVE.

There are four strong guiding principles that I applied while doing this:

  1. Fights need to be un-screw-with-able. We strongly feel that if what’s supposed to be a “fair” match given a set of predetermined rules is thrown off course by outside influence, it invalidates the whole premise.
  2. Outside of the actual matches, there should be ways to screw with the dojo itself
  3. We should cater as much as possible to the participant that wants a quick, easy PvP fix.
  4. Players should run the whole thing, with the game providing no economic value to participants nor organizers

So, some details on what the prototype turned out to be. There’s a personal deployable that you can obtain from item redeption on Duality that when put into space and stocked with ships and modules (it’s huge), provides players docked in that system with the ability to fight each other with those ships and modules in fair environment. It’s currently limited to 1 pilot on each side, and ships worth 4 points or less given the AT-XII points values.

Players on Duality can find dojos to fight at through the extremely aptly labeled “Calculator” entry in the “Business” area of the Neocom. You need to be calculating to win! Turns out it’s easier to copy another Neocom entry’s stuff than to make your own. It’s that kind of prototype folks. Anyway, here’s a look at the screen that awaits the intrepid dojo fighter:


On the left here you’ve got a breakdown of all the types of ships/modules/ammo/whatever that are stocked in the dojo ready for use. On the left, you’ve got all of your personal and corporation fittings with handy X’s or check marks depending on if all of the types used in the fitting are available in the dojo. Highlight one that’s fully available, hit “Select Fitting”, and you’ll notice in the bottom left your entry in your team listing now shows what ship you’ve picked. It would have a button that shows the full fitting but I haven’t gotten around to that yet. From there, hit “Ready!” and you’re off to the world’s worst matchmaking!

Once matched up with another player in the dojo, you’re both whisked away directly from station to your ships, assembled from the items in the dojo, in a deadspace pocket placed randomly in space that’s guarded from people warping to it - they’ll warp to the dojo deployable if they try.

You’ll need to load up ammo because I’ve had some problems doing that automatically, but it’s a fine way to spend the 40 second pre-game time. You’ll also quickly notice that I’ve dumped you directly in the center of the fight area, because I didn't implement a range selector. I probably should have done that. Oh well.

I did of course implement boundary violations at the customary 125km. My priorities are clear.

I think that’s enough words about it. If this looks interesting to you, hop on over to Duality and take a spin. Instructions on how to do that are right over here. I’ve set up an extremely simple dojo in FD-MLJ, but I’m sure someone who knows 1-1s way better than I do will set up a well-stocked dojo that will satisfy all your frigate fighting fantasies. If your account is inactive on Duality, post on over here and it'll get take care of maybe.

If you’ve got ideas about how it could be better, or different points/pilot count combinations to try, I’m all ears. If you think this is a terrible idea, I look forward to your well-reasoned arguments. In either case hit it up quick ‘cause come Friday night I turn into a pumpkin.

Let’s have some fun killing each other repeatedly,
~CCP Veritas

CCP Veritas - Technical Director - EVE Online

Rift Watch
#2 - 2014-09-25 10:34:23 UTC
Sounds very cool feature, gonna check it out :D have a like.

Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7

Anthar Thebess
#3 - 2014-09-25 10:41:03 UTC
Can we link this to SOV timers, wining guy wins the timer ^^
Michal Jita
Lords Of The Universe
#4 - 2014-09-25 10:42:08 UTC
Is that a project that is possible going to be on TQ sometime in future?

Might be liable to abuse in some wicked ways.
Rift Watch
#5 - 2014-09-25 10:43:06 UTC
Michal Jita wrote:
Is that a project that is possible going to be on TQ sometime in future?

Might be liable to abuse in some wicked ways.

thats prolly it stays in duality (I hope) it could be cool on SiSi though...

Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7

Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-09-25 10:43:24 UTC
Noriko Mai
#7 - 2014-09-25 10:44:09 UTC
Woooooooooooooot? Will try asap!

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein

elissa ferman
Jaeger Bombers
#8 - 2014-09-25 10:45:35 UTC
Question: Loosing a ship AND getting podded included? I would not like to see a thing like the simulator in Wingcommander in the game.
I want all the pew pew to be the exiting one where you fly your multi million/billion ship to space and fear being podded. And I would fear that these situations get less and less if people can hide in sideffect free PVP, although it would raise the communities PVP Skills.

Just my 2 cents.
As always: Let the features come ;)
Precision Zero
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-09-25 10:46:07 UTC
Where is the dislike button?
CCP Goliath
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2014-09-25 10:51:45 UTC
Precision Zero wrote:
Where is the dislike button?

I think it starts to display once you've actually tried the feature Big smile

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath

Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#11 - 2014-09-25 10:54:12 UTC
This has a considerable amount of promise and I know I will be popping onto Duality to have a play around with these things.

To all who may be bemoan the end of consensual TQ pvp, note that this is a prototype, on a server that "doesnt matter", and may not ever make it past being a thing on duality.
#12 - 2014-09-25 10:54:47 UTC
Precision Zero wrote:
Where is the dislike button?


I can't believe this is happening actually. Am very disappoint.

The slippery slope has begun...
Archetype 66
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-09-25 10:55:31 UTC
Is this your parting gift CCP veritas ? Smile

Vincit Omnia Veritas
El Space Mariachi
Zero Fun Allowed
#14 - 2014-09-25 10:55:49 UTC  |  Edited by: El Space Mariachi
"aaaaaah instances!!!!!!!!!!" - eve playerbase

I hope this rolls out on TQ so I can abuse it and send link alts to unprobable deadspace pockets in a random system

gay gamers for jesus

Baali Tekitsu
Verge of Collapse
#15 - 2014-09-25 10:56:17 UTC


Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2014-09-25 10:58:23 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
Stuff of Win and Awesome

One question: Is this limited to low/null sec or can it be deployed in high sec as well?

"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57

Dave stark
#17 - 2014-09-25 10:59:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
CCP Goliath wrote:
Precision Zero wrote:
Where is the dislike button?

I think it starts to display once you've actually tried the feature Big smile

it doesn't matter how good dojos are, it really shouldn't be in eve to begin with.

the premise is dislikable and no amount of "awesome features" will change that, i'd wager.
note: this is sort of the opposite of burner missions, good premise with poor implimentation. this is a poor premise that's probably going to be introduced well... the irony.
Aram Kachaturian
Aram Pleasure Hub Holding
#18 - 2014-09-25 11:00:38 UTC
Less gaming contents, more clothes and jewels for the store plz.

Servant of the Secret League, Wielder of the Monocle Clubhouse Flame.

House Amamake
#19 - 2014-09-25 11:01:00 UTC
Woot, EVE's finally becoming a real MMO (at least on duality) with instance and battle arena !!! AWWW YEAH !!! Roll

Next announcement: 5vs5 battle arena instance MOBA Style IN SAPCE, Riot buy CCP.

Tin foil hat ON

Loyal servent to Mother Amamake. @EVE_Tetsel

Another Bittervet Please Ignore

l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#20 - 2014-09-25 11:02:03 UTC

Sleep tight sweet prince Veritas :(
You will be missed deeply.

Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos

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