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Tutorial Difficulty
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Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-09-25 09:19:30 UTC
Is the tutorial made difficult like this intentionally, not to kick weaks away, but to hook them later when they finally understand it?
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-09-25 09:21:00 UTC
Difficult?
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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-09-25 09:21:07 UTC
Difficult like how?
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#4 - 2014-09-25 09:23:00 UTC
The tutorials are not difficult.

People don't have enough patience to read the tutorials fully before clicking through them and then trying to blunder their way past them as quickly as possible.

They then get frustrated that they don't know what to do.

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Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-09-25 09:23:41 UTC
Priscilla Project wrote:
Difficult?

Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Difficult like how?

I don't know. I can't remember the first few times I attempted it, but it was good once it clicked. People seem to have difficulty with it alot.
Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-09-25 09:25:24 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
The tutorials are not difficult.

People don't have enough patience to read the tutorials fully before clicking through them and then trying to blunder their way past them as quickly as possible.

They then get frustrated that they don't know what to do.

What the hell is your face..
It wasn't like that for me (as far as I can remember), I'm pretty sure I read it all but it was just so confusing. I can't remember how it was, or when I figured it out.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-09-25 09:37:05 UTC
Diffecult? They are incredibly easy compared to how it was in the old days.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-09-25 09:37:08 UTC
Solette Cheli wrote:
Priscilla Project wrote:
Difficult?

Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Difficult like how?

I don't know. I can't remember the first few times I attempted it, but it was good once it clicked. People seem to have difficulty with it alot.

So you managed them just fine personally and you don't know what exactly others find difficult with them, but they're too difficult because of reasons. Just saying it's hard to discuss something let alone discuss how to fix it when there is no problem people can describe or point at.
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-09-25 09:38:08 UTC
Wait...

Why did you even make this thread then?

I'm a bit confuserated now.
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Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-09-25 09:40:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Solette Cheli
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Solette Cheli wrote:
Priscilla Project wrote:
Difficult?

Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Difficult like how?

I don't know. I can't remember the first few times I attempted it, but it was good once it clicked. People seem to have difficulty with it alot.

So you managed them just fine personally and you don't know what exactly others find difficult with them, but they're too difficult because of reasons. Just saying it's hard to discuss something let alone discuss how to fix it when there is no problem people can describe or point at.

I managed fine, after the first few times which was when it was hard. And then I was hooked.
Priscilla Project wrote:
Wait...

Why did you even make this thread then?

I'm a bit confuserated now.

The point of the thread wasn't to complain about the difficulty, it was a question about if my theory is plausible.
Priscilla Project
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-09-25 09:42:49 UTC
Nah, they're not really difficult.

Many people are used to easyness and effortlessness,
clicking around and getting hooked to gratification.

That leads to lack of patience and people not reading the text ...
... which means thqt people fail doing the tutorials.
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Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-09-25 09:45:58 UTC
Priscilla Project wrote:
Nah, they're not really difficult.

Many people are used to easyness and effortlessness,
clicking around and getting hooked to gratification.

That leads to lack of patience and people not reading the text ...
... which means thqt people fail doing the tutorials.

They don't feel difficult to me now, but they did when I was a noob :p.
Although it is very different in how it's played to normal MMORPGs, where you can skip the tutorials after learning the first one because they're all the same..
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-09-25 09:50:30 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Solette Cheli wrote:
Is the tutorial made difficult like this intentionally, not to kick weaks away, but to hook them later when they finally understand it?


Tutorials now a days are FAR from difficult - if you want, ask CCP if you can do the tutorial of years ago (aka, NO tutorial).

People are just inpatient and rush past them thinking they don't need them because they played "Insert name of another MMO on the market here".

Then they find out that EVE is very different and that it takes more then 1.5 braincell to play this game, and start blaming the tutorial.
I recently had 3 RL friends try EVE (1 stuck with the game, the others stopped after 2 months as it wasn't the game for them), none even called / texted me for help. The tutorial were clear enough to do them, but they took their time (as I suggested when they started).

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2014-09-25 10:04:43 UTC
on the contrary, I was just thinking the game mechanics (not just the tutorials) should be made very obscure and vague, and perhaps changed constantly, so that EVE might develop a reputation for being exceptionally bad.

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Kousaka Otsu Shigure
#15 - 2014-09-25 10:13:55 UTC
OP's claim is valid, I've been sitting in the Rookie Help Channel these past few weeks and this is one of the most common gripes of the new players I private convo with.

IMO it would benefit with another improvement pass if New Player Experience is still a thing. I would suggest tutorial-mission-only camera panning/locking and maybe some element derivations from other MMO's tutorial mechanics.

Also the tutorials are somewhat buggy, I had one guy have a bug at Aura Mission 1. How's that for first impressions?

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Vyl Vit
#16 - 2014-09-25 10:29:32 UTC
I'm stupefied, and I have to wonder about the OP's intent here.
The main problem being; the tutorial is not difficult in the least.
I have to wonder why someone would say it is.

What caught my eye was "skip it after the first..." however.
Yes, you can do that with faceroll games. This isn't one of those.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#17 - 2014-09-25 10:36:52 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
I'm stupefied, and I have to wonder about the OP's intent here.
The main problem being; the tutorial is not difficult in the least.
I have to wonder why someone would say it is.

What caught my eye was "skip it after the first..." however.
Yes, you can do that with faceroll games. This isn't one of those.

It may not seem difficult now, but there are lots of people that have difficulty with it. Some people say it's because people don't read it, and they're probably right, but there are others (like me) that don't/didn't understand it, even after reading it.

Yeah, I know. I wasn't talking about the original thing entirely.
Vyl Vit
#18 - 2014-09-25 10:43:56 UTC
Solette Cheli wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
I'm stupefied, and I have to wonder about the OP's intent here.
The main problem being; the tutorial is not difficult in the least.
I have to wonder why someone would say it is.

What caught my eye was "skip it after the first..." however.
Yes, you can do that with faceroll games. This isn't one of those.

It may not seem difficult now, but there are lots of people that have difficulty with it. Some people say it's because people don't read it, and they're probably right, but there are others (like me) that don't/didn't understand it, even after reading it.

Yeah, I know. I wasn't talking about the original thing entirely.
I'm sorry. Mischaracterizing what I say isn't a response to the points I've made.

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#19 - 2014-09-25 10:50:17 UTC
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What the hell is your face..


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Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2014-09-25 10:59:07 UTC
Tutorials are hard, reading is harder, my space banana is rock-solid.

I'd also like to request a yellow paint job for my Machariel to give better content for this joke.
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