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Language Chat Channel Consolidation With Oceanus

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#81 - 2014-09-25 04:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Darkblad wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
So players should make their own channels and moderate them themselves. Advertise the channel in the respective forums and get a big player run channel going?

For example, someone stated 300-500 German players in one German chat channel, just band all of them together in another player made channel?

Or am I missing something painfully obvious here What?
"Official" channnels can be found in the channel list right from the start. Channels created by players are not. It's difficult to reach those players that are new and/or not on the forums or other external ways the community provides information. It's no longer possible to just click the speech bubble in a chat window to find a chat channel where a player's native/preferred language is used.
Maylin Li wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
So players should make their own channels and moderate them themselves. Advertise the channel in the respective forums and get a big player run channel going?

For example, someone stated 300-500 German players in one German chat channel, just band all of them together in another player made channel?

Or am I missing something painfully obvious here What?


Well the only problem is that new players have no idea where to find that channel, you need to know someone to send you there first. As it is now, with it being on an official list, someone who is new to the game can, for example, join the Spanish channel and chat with some Spanish people, without needing the channel name etc...

Would it be possible to make the existing un-official language channels read-only, and create a list of linked player channels in the MOTD?

Or prehaps keep the channels, but make it clear in the MOTD that these channels are not moderated by CCP and that CCP is not responsible for the content in the channels and that discretion is advised, close the channel if you're offended by some guy trolling with political **** etc.

I agree completely with both of these, but you know CCP will do what they want in regards to this. By the looks of things it has already been decided. I would suggest that you grab you channel names now before this change happens. Lets say for example you guys speak German, call it "German Players Local" or something.
Next step would be to make a thread about it in GD and in New Citizens and ask CCP to sticky it at the top of the page on both.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much the only thing you can do currently...

Naturally you would need to consolidate with other players and agree on one player run channel for that language.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Xeator
soldiers.fi
#82 - 2014-09-25 05:32:21 UTC
Chribba says its the wrong move, then its the wrong move.

Stop this madness!
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#83 - 2014-09-25 06:10:35 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Darkblad wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
So players should make their own channels and moderate them themselves. Advertise the channel in the respective forums and get a big player run channel going?

For example, someone stated 300-500 German players in one German chat channel, just band all of them together in another player made channel?

Or am I missing something painfully obvious here What?
"Official" channnels can be found in the channel list right from the start. Channels created by players are not. It's difficult to reach those players that are new and/or not on the forums or other external ways the community provides information. It's no longer possible to just click the speech bubble in a chat window to find a chat channel where a player's native/preferred language is used.
Maylin Li wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
So players should make their own channels and moderate them themselves. Advertise the channel in the respective forums and get a big player run channel going?

For example, someone stated 300-500 German players in one German chat channel, just band all of them together in another player made channel?

Or am I missing something painfully obvious here What?


Well the only problem is that new players have no idea where to find that channel, you need to know someone to send you there first. As it is now, with it being on an official list, someone who is new to the game can, for example, join the Spanish channel and chat with some Spanish people, without needing the channel name etc...

Would it be possible to make the existing un-official language channels read-only, and create a list of linked player channels in the MOTD?

Or prehaps keep the channels, but make it clear in the MOTD that these channels are not moderated by CCP and that CCP is not responsible for the content in the channels and that discretion is advised, close the channel if you're offended by some guy trolling with political **** etc.

I agree completely with both of these, but you know CCP will do what they want in regards to this. By the looks of things it has already been decided. I would suggest that you grab you channel names now before this change happens. Lets say for example you guys speak German, call it "German Players Local" or something.
Next step would be to make a thread about it in GD and in New Citizens and ask CCP to sticky it at the top of the page on both.

Unfortunately, this is pretty much the only thing you can do currently...

Naturally you would need to consolidate with other players and agree on one player run channel for that language.


Yes, because (insert power bloc) naturally will share their (insert language) channel with everybody else... right?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#84 - 2014-09-25 06:17:11 UTC
Morihei Akachi wrote:
This seems like a bad idea. Essentially, you're arguing that because language channels are listed in the client in a visible place, they need the kind of moderation that the forums get, and since you can't provide that (for reasons that make plenty of sense; I've no issue with this), you're going to do away with that visible listing. I would say: this is a place for a policy change. Those 39 channels serve a useful purpose, as lots of people have pointed out, and their visibility is part of that. So I think you'd be better to bite the bullet and admit that you can't moderate them and aren't going to. Put it in big red letters in a MOTD. And remind people that there's a block function. Penalizing everyone, on the other hand, just in order to punish the few seems less than fair.


Yes, this look like the usual CCP 5-minutes-before-DT stupid move. Ask nobody, check nothing, just go straight forward with a minimal irrelevant change that is very convenient to CCP and nobody could ever get pissed off... Roll

I concur with the poster above. CCP, take those channels seriously and re-think what you are going to inflict on your players, existing and potential, if you remove the only publicly available and neutral space to socialize and ask for help in their native languages.
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-09-25 06:39:05 UTC
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#86 - 2014-09-25 07:04:23 UTC
I'm surprised some intrepid role players have not yet created languages for the factions.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#87 - 2014-09-25 07:45:38 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
I'm surprised some intrepid role players have not yet created languages for the factions.


Well, as far as TGFB is concerned, for RP purposes Amarran speak Spanish, Khanid speak Indonesian and Gallentean speak French... P
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2014-09-25 07:49:15 UTC
According to ccp trailers nowadays, its all perfect english. Go figure, during dominion trailer we at least still had russian accents
Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
#89 - 2014-09-25 07:58:53 UTC
I still fail to see how this will reduce the amount of complaints. You don't believe that there won't be foreign language in the remaining chats, do you?

Quote:
ToS (3)
You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/?_ga=1.190995626.1217436021.1367317719

A chat is a group of players.
Someone who is creating a player run channel is organizing a group.
Players who idle or participate in this chat are member of this group.

I wonder if you can receive a permaban for breaking the ToS if you create a channel (as supposed) and some players start (ab)using it to spread anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.


There is a single question I'd like to see an answer to:
Am I forced by CCP to moderate my player run channels - if yes - what consequenced do I have to suffer if ToS breaking will happen inside the channel?
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-09-25 08:00:30 UTC
Samsara Toldya wrote:
I still fail to see how this will reduce the amount of complaints. You don't believe that there won't be foreign language in the remaining chats, do you?

Quote:
ToS (3)
You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-tos/?_ga=1.190995626.1217436021.1367317719

A chat is a group of players.
Someone who is creating a player run channel is organizing a group.
Players who idle or participate in this chat are member of this group.

I wonder if you can receive a permaban for breaking the ToS if you create a channel (as supposed) and some players start (ab)using it to spread anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.


There is a single question I'd like to see an answer to:
Am I forced by CCP to moderate my player run channels - if yes - what consequenced do I have to suffer if ToS breaking will happen inside the channel?




TBH, any kind of ccp response would be nice about now. We DID give them a warning time of 24 hours, after all
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2014-09-25 08:11:24 UTC
You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game

From TOS, rule 16

This CCP decision interferes with the users of language channels, most of which have not been "making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game". Is CCP acting in accordance of their own TOS?
Rainbow Child
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2014-09-25 09:36:49 UTC
Hi,

I have never wrote here, but current issue just a little pissed me. I know that CCP is trying to convince more new players to not leave game and many of them cries about trolls and scum on such channels. But those languages channels are a hyde parks that we really need not moderated and open for everyone. With all the bad things are happening there - it is just fun what no other MMO game provided.

For me as a troll :) it is end of one of maybe many parts of the game that keep me here. That I can go to a channel, open a discussion about something without care about channel owner or operators.

Im sure that such action will just hit smaller communities.

Fly safe o7
Isalone
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-09-25 10:26:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Isalone
Hoping for some additional CCP input, I'd like to ask if there's any chance this might get delayed and actually discussed?

It's a very bad idea, reasons why have been already posted in this thread.

EDIT: as a long time member of the Polish channel, I don't see it having the problem mentioned in the first post.

EDIT 2: I also love it that "removal" is called "consolidation" now.
lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
#94 - 2014-09-25 10:28:25 UTC
Just popping in to let you guys know I've been thinking more about this idea of removing the language chat channels. After careful consideration I've come to the conclusion of this being horribad bullshit and an awful move by CCP.
Naburi NasNaburi
Doomheim
#95 - 2014-09-25 10:39:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Naburi NasNaburi
Funny how CCP never ever asked his players what they think about this *issue*

Next please remove local from all tradehubs, lowsecs and 00 - as the quality of text there is WAY lower than any language chat has ever been.
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2014-09-25 10:57:42 UTC  |  Edited by: lolcorpholder alt
Naburi NasNaburi wrote:
Funny how CCP never ever asked his players what they think about this *issue*

Next please remove local from all tradehubs, lowsecs and 00 - as the quality of text there is WAY lower than any language chat has ever been.



Also please move all Alliance tournament discussion to the provided channel and remove it from the listing. Do the same for all the trade channels. Not to forget the live events channel. Probably missed couple, fill in as necessary
Cyno Fit
Munitia.
#97 - 2014-09-25 11:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyno Fit
Why not take a ie month long period and see how much users frequent certain language channel. If the number is like below 50(?) it will be shutdown. (For example in the picture Falcon posted "English" channel has only 4 users......!)

Then appoint long term players/volunteers to moderate that channel. If it's player created language channel it will go straight to hell. Players might be banning each other out of nothing etc. But when someone is working on the mandate of CCP (moderator) he has to go above the personal tastes or he will answer to his superiors (CCP).
Mihnea Tepes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-09-25 12:38:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mihnea Tepes
And I thought that ccp is supporting trolling in game, obviously i was wrong.

Anyway, I am also against this decision.

PS: From what I am reading here it is like ccp and their idea against players in game. The same reaction I saw in our own language channel. Well done ccp, make us more pissed off.
lolcorpholder alt
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2014-09-25 13:21:16 UTC
As a wise man in CCP once said, now we need to not look at what they say (because they haven't actually said anyhing atter the announcement, even though they have had PLENTY of time), but what they do. You have a playerbase looking at your actions in here, CCP

do the right thing
Darkblad
Doomheim
#100 - 2014-09-25 13:27:27 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
With most of these languages having no official support from CCP, this means that investigating and answering tickets of this nature from these channels is sometimes not possible due to a significant language barrier. This is contrary to our policy of moderating and enforcing our terms of service (in particular the sections on player conduct) in persistent CCP hosted channels within the EVE client.
I still fail to see how this would get any better when the language channels are gone. People still can break this rule
TOS wrote:
You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)
in their native language in any other channel. It's just none that's provided by the system. CCP will still have to check the logs of those that players create - and there's already: German 2.0 (German), Deutsch (German), German (Deutsch), AT/CH/DE (German).
Less official channels to moderate (like as if that happened before in those that I'm a member of), more player created channels, where content can arise that members find worthy to file a support ticket.

I'd love to welcome official moderation in the official Help channels from tuesday on, though. I just wonder if that will happen at all.

NPE – ISD – RIP